Originally posted by Darth Thor
Meh, GOTG destroyed all its comic book movie competition that year which were all massive names: Spider-Man, Captain America and X-Men. So no embarrassment at all losing to GOTG Imho. I mean those were Huge numbers it pulled.
The point I was making was that GOTG (a similar type film) as Suicide Squad did fine without any A list characters featured or promoted.
Its a film that mostly did well based on its quality. While SS could also be a quality film, wb/dc is again showing its lack of faith on its properties by making it clear to everyone that this film also features characters the know and love in order to fill seats. Thats why they should do fine at the box office.
And yes it would be embarrassing if SS backed by the promotion force of batman/joker & harley would not be able to beat Dr Strange. The GA doesnt know who the fuq is Dr strange.
I dont see that happening , just pointing it out to people claiming victories already.
Would that really be considered lack of faith to have characters crossover?
Iron Man showed up in a TV Spot for Hulk? I wouldn't call that desperate. That's the draw of these shared universes.
If WB had no faith in Suicide Squad or in David Ayer, Batman would be more than just a cameo, he'd just be in the ****ing movie as a major player.
Originally posted by Quincy
Would that really be considered lack of faith to have characters crossover?Iron Man showed up in a TV Spot for Hulk? I wouldn't call that desperate. That's the draw of these shared universes.
If WB had no faith in Suicide Squad or in David Ayer, Batman would be more than just a cameo, he'd just be in the ****ing movie as a major player.
Its not an unwarranted remark by me about the lack of faith thing based on certain things that have happened so far in the DCU.
First there was MOS 2 that was going to feature a batman cameo. Then its now a shared movie with the batman name overtaking the superman one in the title. Then SS now has a batman cameo. Now a Batman solo film is also announced. Im sure many more appearances are going to follow as well.
I have no problem with this because im a Batman fan. Having batman in BvS will actually make that movie bearable for me.
Anyhow Ironman has been in a few Marvel movies , correct.
But Ironman was a c list character that his movie made into an A lister. The quality of his movie is what made him popular not an appearance by spiderman. Also the times ironman did appear it was in a 1 minute after credit scene or something. Not the whole movie or even being featured in the title.
So marvel having faith in their b and c listers because they dont have the rights to most of their A listers has actually payed off because of quality films. Wouldnt hurt for DC to at least try this.
If not. no biggie. batman makes everything better . 👆
I think Joker will be a major player. Which I have no issue with at all tbh.
Are Dc on par with what Marvel can do with films based solely on B-List characters yet? No. But they are trying something different with SS, that's for sure. It'll be the first superhero film with super villains being the lead characters.
I'm personally really looking forward to both Marvel's and DC's comic book films in 2016.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It'll be the first superhero film with super villains being the lead characters.
Incorrect. The plot of Guardians of the Galaxy was : Criminals, thugs misfits getting together to accomplish something. Gamora was a straight up villain. In fact, first part of the movie they were in prison and broke out.
from IMDB , "A group of intergalactic criminals are forced to work together..."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015381/?ref_=nv_sr_1
They both have different tones but its the same plot basically.
Anyhow im looking forward to SS. Hope its good. Just pointing things out some seem to be missing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I think Joker will be a major player. Which I have no issue with at all tbh.Are Dc on par with what Marvel can do with films based solely on B-List characters yet? No. But they are trying something different with SS, that's for sure. It'll be the first superhero film with super villains being the lead characters.
I'm personally really looking forward to both Marvel's and DC's comic book films in 2016.
Yeah, it's going to be different. Some of DC'S villains are just more well known.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Incorrect. The plot of Guardians of the Galaxy was : Criminals, thugs misfits getting together to accomplish something. Gamora was a straight up villain. In fact, first part of the movie they were in prison and broke out.from IMDB , "A group of intergalactic criminals are forced to work together..."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015381/?ref_=nv_sr_1They both have different tones but its the same plot basically.
Anyhow im looking forward to SS. Hope its good. Just pointing things out some seem to be missing.
You can't judge the whole movie with just one teaser. They're not even done shooting the film. I'm betting batman will be in flashbacks and or minor roles.
Originally posted by Inhuman
Its not an unwarranted remark by me about the lack of faith thing based on certain things that have happened so far in the DCU.
First there was MOS 2 that was going to feature a batman cameo. Then its now a shared movie with the batman name overtaking the superman one in the title. Then SS now has a batman cameo. Now a Batman solo film is also announced. Im sure many more appearances are going to follow as well.
I have no problem with this because im a Batman fan. Having batman in BvS will actually make that movie bearable for me.
Anyhow Ironman has been in a few Marvel movies , correct.
But Ironman was a c list character that his movie made into an A lister. The quality of his movie is what made him popular not an appearance by spiderman. Also the times ironman did appear it was in a 1 minute after credit scene or something. Not the whole movie or even being featured in the title.
So marvel having faith in their b and c listers because they dont have the rights to most of their A listers has actually payed off because of quality films. Wouldnt hurt for DC to at least try this.
If not. no biggie. batman makes everything better . 👆
I think that Batman cameo was a rumor. During production of Man of Steel, Snyder and the production team discussed if there should be a teaser, or an alternate ending. Jokingly Snyder said "What if Batman gets a crate of kryptonite delivered to his house?" He's told that story several times. From there, it became a movie centering on Batman and Superman - literally the World's Finest.
Batman coming before Superman title has a precedence. Batman comes before Superman in the animated series title. As well as the full title of DC's Trinity.
Plus it rolls off the tongue better.
It doesn't matter when RDJ showed up in Hulk. He was in the trailer. Trailer gets people to the flick, so you'd have to say the same for that Marvel marketing ploy.
I mean it makes sense both ways. As well, Batman is connected heavily with the characters in this film. Joker is kind of a Batman bad guy. Stark was there to what...recruit Blonsky?
Plus RDJ went on record and said "Oh yeah that was a marvel move to put me in the hulk and the spots so that I'd have to talk about it during press."
Plus the Batman solo movie was just announced like, a month ago maybe? The DC film lineup that was announced in October of last year made no mention of Batman at all. Flicks like Aquaman, Cyborg, Suicide Squad, Shazam? Pretty ballsy considering the average movie goer considers Aquaman a joke, and no one would even know who the others are.
In comparison, look at Marvel. Immediately putting in major players of other movies in their flicks to establish them. Hawkeye? Black Widow? Hell they won't even make a Black Widow movie that the public is practically begging for. On top of that, DC is STILL going to beat them to the punch with having a Female Lead superhero movie.
But we do agree on Batman making everything better.
Originally posted by Quincy
In comparison, look at Marvel. Immediately putting in major players of other movies in their flicks to establish them.
Non of the heroes in the MCU were A listers. Not even Ironman.Baring maybe The Hulk. The Ironman, cap, thor movies etc, made them into household names. Not the inclusion of spiderman or wolverine before people knew who they were.
I think they did amazing things to establish a respected movieverse without using A listers to promote the hell out of their obscure movies featuring their b,c,d listers.
Originally posted by Quincy
But we do agree on Batman making everything better.
👆
Originally posted by Inhuman
Incorrect. The plot of Guardians of the Galaxy was : Criminals, thugs misfits getting together to accomplish something. Gamora was a straight up villain. In fact, first part of the movie they were in prison and broke out.from IMDB , "A group of intergalactic criminals are forced to work together..."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015381/?ref_=nv_sr_1They both have different tones but its the same plot basically.
Anyhow im looking forward to SS. Hope its good. Just pointing things out some seem to be missing.
Criminals=/=villians
Hell Batman is technically a criminal. So are most costumed heroes. Having straight up villians lead is completely different than GotG's "misfits"
Originally posted by juggerman
Criminals=/=villiansHell Batman is technically a criminal. So are most costumed heroes. Having straight up villians lead is completely different than GotG's "misfits"
So we are getting into specifics now.
Gamora was even above the common criminal in the prison. They all hated her. It was established she was a murderer and ran with galactic villains. We see Groot kill multiple people in the film.
The tone is different in SS, yes.
But if you dont accept that then look at the plot in IMDB.
And the villains/criminals as the main character(s) is not anything new.
The Godfather, Scarface, Wreck it Ralph, Despicable me, kill bill, pulp fiction, American psycho, natural born killers, silence of the lambs, etc, ect.
Originally posted by Inhuman
So we are getting into specifics now.Gamora was even above the common criminal in the prison. They all hated her. It was established she was a murderer and ran with galactic villains. We see Groot kill multiple people in the film.
But if you dont accept that then look at the plot in IMDB.
And the villains/criminals as the main character(s) is not anything new.
The Godfather, Scarface, Wreck it Ralph, Despicable me, kill bill, pulp fiction, American psycho, natural born killers, silence of the lambs, etc, ect.
Gamora was an ex villian. She reformed before the plot even started and was working to take Thanos down. Hardly the same as being forced to do good even tho all you want to do is kill like most of the Suicide Squad.
We see Wolverine kill people too. Doesn't make him or Groot villians.
I looked at it and it says criminals not villians. I can see why that would seem like splitting hairs but we see lovable criminals all the time and they are usually the heroes. Hell even Disney cartoons are full of them. But out right villians being forced to do good under the threat of death? That's way different
Again you are using criminals and villians interchangably and they really aren't. Aladdin was a criminal but Jafar was the villian. Big difference in the characters. I can give many more examples if needed
EDIT: It should also be noted that Gamora was forced to do horrible things and she hated Thanos for it. She did not wish to be that way. That's huge when classifing her between criminal and a straight up evil villian