Originally posted by NewGuy01
Especially because Maul himself confirmed that he had grown far more powerful since he was last in Sidious's presence in Shadow Conspiracy.
He'd grown more powerful but not sure it was "Far" more powerful. I still think it was a modest difference. Given his major disadvantage of having lost half is body I find it hard to believe there was a Large difference in power. But that's just me.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERCompare their telekinetic feats - there was a vast improvement in power. Which makes sense. He may have lost half of his body, but he had 12 years to fester his hatred in exile after a life-crushing defeat. His entire existence had culminated towards killing the Jedi and.. it really didn't work out for him. That kind of traumatic event is liable to deepen his connection to the Dark Side. Hell, even after fighting a Wampa his strength saw an increase according to Lockdown.
He'd grown more powerful but not sure it was "Far" more powerful. I still think it was a modest difference. Given his major disadvantage of having lost half is body I find it hard to believe there was a Large difference in power. But that's just me.
Originally posted by ILS
Well, I think his skill has stayed the same between TPM and TCW, actually. His skill in the Force has improved in some ways as well.
Yeah I just think in terms of combat skill there was no place for him to improve as he had completely mastered Juyo, Teras Kasi, Niman, and different weapons such as the Saber Staff.
Sidious even thinks to himself in Shadow Hunter how Maul's combat skills are unparalleled.
Of course he would have been 10+ years out of combat practice when he was first revived in "Revenge." So might have taken a bit of time into TCW before his skill set was back on par again with what it was in TPM.
Originally posted by ILS
Compare their telekinetic feats - there was a vast improvement in power. Which makes sense. He may have lost half of his body, but he had 12 years to fester his hatred in exile after a life-crushing defeat. His entire existence had culminated towards killing the Jedi and.. it really didn't work out for him. That kind of traumatic event is liable to deepen his connection to the Dark Side. Hell, even after fighting a Wampa his strength saw an increase according to Lockdown.
His biggest increase/amp seems to have been in Tk. Of course we don't really know how good his Tk was before.
But I just doubt his "all around" improvement was Massive. Shadow Conspiracy just says he's better than he was, but IIRC it doesn't suggest anywhere that he was better by a Huge amount.
But I just doubt his "all around" improvement was Massive. Shadow Conspiracy just says he's better than he was, but IIRC it doesn't suggest anywhere that he was better by a Huge amount.What suggests a massive improvement is the fact that his feats saw, a massive improvement. And it isn't really due to restraint. For example, in the comic Star Wars: Darth Maul, Maul is surrounded by dozens of Black Sun enforcers, yet he lets out a Force blast which only sends about five of them back - opposed to the dozens of droids/soldiers he has sent flying through the air when put in a similar situation during TCW.
Originally posted by ILS
What suggests a massive improvement is the fact that his feats saw, a massive improvement. And it isn't really due to restraint. For example, in the comic Star Wars: Darth Maul, Maul is surrounded by dozens of Black Sun enforcers, yet he lets out a Force blast which only sends about five of them back - opposed to the dozens of droids/soldiers he has sent flying through the air when put in a similar situation during TCW.
Like I said, his Tk seems to have improved the most.
But I've not seen him do anything with a Lightsbaber which was completely beyond his TPM self IMHO.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERBut I've not seen him do anything with a Lightsbaber which was completely beyond his TPM self IMHO.
Actually I take this back a little. He had some obvious advantages compared to his TPM self in close combat with those Huge mechanical legs Talzin gave him (for as long as they lasted).
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThe smaller legs made him actually look like Darth Maul though. Shame he never re acquired a Saber Staff.
Saberstaff is optional even for TPM Maul actually. He used one blade against Qui-Gon in Tatooine and he used half of his blade against amped TPM Kenobi without trouble in Naboo.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Kenobi already solo'd somebody superior to Ventress by himself in TPM... the team will have no issue here.
Except he was amped by the force rage, and he still lost.
Actually he didn't lose... In fact, in DIRECT saber combat, Kenobi partially disarmed Maul of his weapon and was forcing him back. At no point besides the force push did maul disarm Kenobi. Furthermore, Kenobi killed maul and made him into a pint sized midget. I don't call that losing, in fact I call that decisively winning. We can all make excuses for Maul and his shortcomings, but the reality is, he had Kenobi in a terrible position. Yet while looking directly at him was unable to counter Kenobi using his speed and agility to call his weapon... fly up in the air... flip over him and land the killing blow. Maul was looking at him and couldn't react fast enough. So no, he lost.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Actually he didn't lose... In fact, in DIRECT saber combat, Kenobi partially disarmed Maul of his weapon and was forcing him back. At no point besides the force push did maul disarm Kenobi. Furthermore, Kenobi killed maul and made him into a pint sized midget. I don't call that losing, in fact I call that decisively winning. We can all make excuses for Maul and his shortcomings, but the reality is, he had Kenobi in a terrible position. Yet while looking directly at him was unable to counter Kenobi using his speed and agility to call his weapon... fly up in the air... flip over him and land the killing blow. Maul was looking at him and couldn't react fast enough. So no, he lost.
That only happened because Maul was toying with him. (And Maul behaved like a stupid there I admit) Kenobi is still formidable even in this stage, but he was still no match for a Sith Lord even with an amp.
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''A victom of his own over-confidence''
-Factfiles 01
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''Maul toyed with him, kicking his lightsaber into the abyss''
The fact is.. in direct saber combat.. Kenobi partially disarmed him.. Maul couldn't do that unless he used a force push. Maul was unable to react to Kenobi (while looking at him) fly through the air.. call his saber... flip over him and slice him in half. No amount of excuses changes Kenobi killing him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The fact is.. in direct saber combat.. Kenobi partially disarmed him.. Maul couldn't do that unless he used a force push. Maul was unable to react to Kenobi (while looking at him) fly through the air.. call his saber... flip over him and slice him in half. No amount of excuses changes Kenobi killing him.
Maul also thought that Obi-Wan is unarmed. Because he really was. He used Qui-Gon's lightsaber to do that as a surprise factor.
''I heard Qui-Gon's words within me... It was Qui-Gon's blade that his killer was felled.''
--Taken from ; Jedi vs. Sith The Essential Guide to the Force
