Originally posted by Psychotron
Your biased opinions =/= evidence.
Don't give me that none sense when a whole collection of evidence has been presented to you, but you've just chosen to ignore it in favor of your own bias.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Do you seriously think Maul would have been able to push Kenobi down the pit without the Force? And do you honestly think Obi-Wan would have been resist Maul's push even he wasn't "off balance"
This is what happens when 2 duelists are matching each other perfectly but then one tries to force push the other:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DDSDPZN8zk
^ It simply gets blocked by the equal duelist. If Kenobi was the superior duelist then he could have caught Maul off guard with a Force push, then even being weaker in the Force something like this would have happened:
@1:25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH3v1n7uMjo
Originally posted by Psychotron
He didn't win a direct saber fight, are you serious? He used a Force push.
Standard part of a Lightsaber fight. If Kenobi was an equal/superior duelist, he would have seen it coming and at least attempted to block it.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, they aren't. They're Force powers. When someone sets up a vs thread and asks who wins in Sabers, Force, and All out, do you think they'll use Force pushes in the saber part?
Those are to determine who has the superior force powers. Like Dooku caught Kenobi off-guard with a Force choke, and completely controlled him. However if you EQUALIZED their Force Tk abilities, that would have been an unlikely scenario.
But like I keep trying to explain to you, but you have a hard time understanding, you could have EQUALIZED Kenobi and Maul's TK, and Maul would still have landed that Force push, which still would have had a significant effect throwing back Kenobi, given he was caught off-Guard.
Maul was simply the superior duelist and combatant. And not by a little. There was a huge difference between the 2. Kenobi putting up a much better fight in the Final Round after he was off napping for ages, but leaving Maul to continue fighting, doesn't change that.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The Kenobi that fought with Jinn isn't the same Kenobi who fought Maul solo.
It wasn't? Did they send a different Kenobi?
Originally posted by Psychotron
He was clearly more focused and motivated.
This is true. Finally your starting to see that context can change throughout a fight.
Seeing Qui-Gon get killed though is what gave him that extra focus and motivation.
Trust me though, if Maul had just seen Kenobi kill say Opress, then Maul's Focus and Determination would also be boosted to new levels. Those levels are just situational though, and most combatants don't have that every time they fight.
Still despite all this, Maul still won the direct combat against the new More Focused and more determined Kenobi. Though Kenobi obviously gave a much better fight in his final round.
Originally posted by Psychotron
And based on their performances against the same opponent Obi-Wan is clearly superior to Jinn.
Kenobi did better in his final 1 v 1 than Qui-Gon did in his final 1 v 1, I'll give you that. Although don't forget 1 v 1, Qui-Gon still punched Maul sending him flying 2 stories and landing flat on his back. Who knows how that effected him for later on in the fight, because landing on your back like that is quite a blow to take.
Also Qui-Gon was tiring at his age after such a long fight. His stamina had it's limits.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Maul was put an his ass,
Kenobi was sent flying down a pit, hanging off nothing but a nozzel. I'd take landing on my ass once over that any day.
Originally posted by Psychotron
had his weapon damaged,
Kenobi completely lost his weapon.
QUOTE=14972393]Originally posted by Psychotron
and was cut in half even when he had a huge advantage by a padawan Kenobi, deal with it. [/QUOTE]
And how did he do that when Maul had the "High Ground" and when Kenobi lost his weapon to Maul?
Oh yeah, I forgot- PIS. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
I agree with the premise of what you're saying but it doesn't really apply to Darth Maul. I haven't really been reading the debate in this thread so I don't know what's been said, all I'm asserting is that there's more proof that Maul wouldn't have been even slightly fatigued during that duel than if he was.
It's not just the fatigue though. Maul took a hit from Qui-Gon that landed him flat on his back after falling 2 stories.
We can't just assume a hit like that had absolutely no effect on him whatsoever for the whole rest of the fight, because.. well Maul is a tough SOD. (Get it, I said SOD instead of SOB hahaha).
Honestly Obi-Wan could have beaten Maul in direct combat in that final fight, and it still wouldn't have convinced me Kenobi was better or even equal to Maul given the circumstances.