KMC Star Wars Community Tier effort

In that case, Luke is definitely a 10. Beating Sids without aid at his absolute best...and then getting STRONGER as GM...

How is this even a debate?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Sound: The Emperor ignites his own lightsaber.

The Emperor: Does it tell you how many other so-called "Jedi Masters" failed to vanquish me? Does your knowledge tell you that I have already beaten you? Poor Jedi. Your kind will soon be extinct. And how fitting that one of their precious lightsabers brings an end to the Jedi delusion!

Sound: Luke Skywalker lunges. The two clash sabers, and duel viciously.

The Emperor: What's the matter, Skywalker? Getting tired? Not quite as young as you were when you fought your father!

Luke Skywalker (*breathing hard*): You have filled the galaxy with your darkness. But I have seen what my father could not see. I have seen that ultimately, the Dark Side will fail!

The Emperor: Jedi fool! In spite of the stories you tell yourself, I am the stronger! Did I not warn you? Now, take the consequences of your failure, like your father before you!!

Sound: Furious dueling--but the Emperor gets the better of Luke, forcing the elder Jedi's lightsaber out of his hands. Both lightsabers deactivate. *

The Emperor: No, Skywalker. It is not your time to die. It is your time to submit. The Dark Side will break you..."

--Audio Adaptation Transcript by Christopher McElroy

What side are you even on? This just proves Sidious was too much for him.

But Force bonds are passive, not active.

@Selenial Jesus, not sure if your trolling... but it's called a spin. Both of his hands are on his saber as he twirls around, killing them all.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
But Force bonds are passive, not active.

Originally posted by Selenial
What side are you even on? This just proves Sidious was too much for him.

That's a Force Wave, Ant. Clearly. Green lightsabers don't trail blue light.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's a Force Wave, Ant. Clearly. Green lightsabers don't trail blue light.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Selenial Jesus, not sure if your trolling... but it's called a spin. Both of his hands are on his saber as he twirls around, killing them all.

So he does a twirl and that makes him tier 10?

refer to my previous argument about speed not being skill.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
But Force bonds are passive, not active.

Not in this case.

After the duel with Palpatine. "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

He's obviously using both lightsaber and Force. There are three panels there.

He's also alone and surrounded.

Originally posted by Selenial
So he does a twirl and that makes him tier 10?

refer to my previous argument about speed not being skill.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's a Force Wave, Ant. Clearly. Green lightsabers don't trail blue light.

I'm pretty sure he's trolling.

Either way their logic is basically writing an argument for Surik to be tier 9, so that's cool. I'm saving this all so I can call double standards when they're on the receiving end of this bull shit.

Originally posted by ares834
Not in this case.

After the duel with Palpatine. "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

LUKE: (echoing) Leia....
LEIA: (echoing) I'm here, Luke.
LUKE: (echoing) Concentrate.....
LEIA: (echoing) I'm trying.

Originally posted by Selenial
Either way their logic is basically writing an argument for Surik to be tier 9, so that's cool. I'm saving this all so I can call double standards when they're on the receiving end of this bull shit.

We all know Sidious won round 1 and lost round 2.

The difference is that, in Round 2, he was back in the Light. Luke is kinda crappy at using the Dark.

And it's not just the Sith, it's the Vong and everything else he's done.

I mean, how many lightsaber feats out of FOTJ do you want me to dig up? I suppose you'll tell me the entire Lost Tribe are scrubs, but even so.

Originally posted by ares834
Not in this case.

After the duel with Palpatine. "But we can Luke. We can do it. That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours."

Also wasn't that a moment of oneness or something for Luke? My memory is shoddy, but I read an argument about his state then Basically being akin to a light side force rage, or oneness.

**** it I'll go reread this before I make more arguments, just to be sure.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Their logic?" Pretty sure Angel is the only one claiming Luke beating Sith puts him at 10. And yesh, what you are saying here will aid me in our Malak vs Exile debate soon.

Not just that though, your Sidious Logic too.

And you placing Traya at her tier in force.

No source suggests Luke was in a moment of oneness. I love how SWTOR people always throw that card when a character does a good showing.
Revan using both sides of the Force!? Oneness. Luke beating Sidious!? Oneness. Etc etc... pretty lame, tbh. Especially with nothing to back it up.

Originally posted by Selenial
Not just that though, your Sidious Logic too.

Originally posted by Selenial
And you placing Traya at her tier in force.