Raskta Lsu vs. Darth Malgus (Hope)

DMB is right about raskta's command of the force and how she applies it, but Malgus should ultimately win this fight. While Malgus isn't as intimitely skilled as Raskta with the blade, I believe his raw power should be able to secure him the fight. Return!Malgus was not as purely skilled as Darach, but his pure rage and power ended up dominating him in the end. Matching up Raskta against a more skilled and powerful incarnation of Malgus won't bode well for her. And whilst Orbalisk Bane is a far more dominating combatant than Hope!Malgus, not only did Raskta have battle meditation (which would greatly bolster her efforts and diminish Bane's,) but she had the aid of her companions such as Farfalla to bail her out when Bane exercised his force abilities.

@LeGenD
You're trying to claim Raskta has a weakness in the force which diminishes her abilities as a martial artist, when that is clearly not the case.

And I added quotes.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
You're trying to claim Raskta has a weakness in the force which diminishes her abilities as a martial artist, when that is clearly not the case.

I have checked the quotes. Difference is that I understand the implications of command of the Force and raw power more deeply then you.

Well then prove she is some how lacking in her command of the force as it relates to martial combat.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
DMB is right about raskta's command of the force and how she applies it, but Malgus should ultimately win this fight. While Malgus isn't as intimitely skilled as Raskta with the blade, I believe his raw power should be able to secure him the fight. Return!Malgus was not as purely skilled as Darach, but his pure rage and power ended up dominating him in the end. Matching up Raskta against a more skilled and powerful incarnation of Malgus won't bode well for her. And whilst Orbalisk Bane is a far more dominating combatant than Hope!Malgus, not only did Raskta have battle meditation (which would greatly bolster her efforts and diminish Bane's,) but she had the aid of her companions such as Farfalla to bail her out when Bane exercised his force abilities.

And I wouldn't say (obalisk) Bane is "far more" dominant then Malgus. The former may not be even as capable as the latter at this point. The reason why (obalisk) Bane looks so impressive is because he could afford to be reckless and tank lightsaber strikes, he had been struck several times but he wasn't harmed.

In a normal situation, Bane would have had to be lot more careful and his chances wouldn't have been too bright against the Strike Team.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Well then prove she is some how lacking in her command of the force as it relates to martial combat.

A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You need prove after this?

A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yes, that is a matter of specialization. Her skillset with the force was entirely geared towards bolstering her prowess in martial combat, not dishing out and defending against force attacks. Her not being skilled at defending against force attacks does not diminish her force abilities as they relate to her martial prowess.

Specialization doesn't prevents effectiveness in using the Force to influence the environment.

Malgus, as per specialization, is actually a Sith Warrior.

You understand Sith Warrior curriculum? Its the same that Lsu had focused upon as a Jedi Guardian.

Difference is that Malgus outshines Lsu in both command of the Force and raw power aspects, therefore he is relatively much more effective in all aspects of combat accordingly.

As an analogy, Lsu might be the most skilled duelist in Star Wars but she isn't beating Sidious. Now replace Sidious with Malgus and Lsu finds herself outmatched again. Her martial skill is not the problem, her shortcomings in command of the Force and raw power aspects certainly are. No rocket science.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, command of the Force and raw power always determine effectiveness of a Jedi in combat situations.

Specialization doesn't prevents effectiveness in using the Force to influence the environment.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus, as per specialization, is actually a Sith Warrior.

You understand Sith Warrior curriculum? Its the same that Lsu had focused upon as a Jedi Guardian.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As an analogy, Lsu might be the most skilled duelist in Star Wars but she isn't beating Sidious. Now replace Sidious with Malgus and Lsu finds herself outmatched again. No rocket science.

Darth Sidious have more skill than any incarnation of Malgus, and he also have more power.

Wouldn't be surprised if LeGenD had Return Malgus > Sidious, tbh.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Except that is clearly the case with Lsu. The text specifically states that she wasn't "skilled" in defending against force attacks. That is clearly a matter of specialization.

Explain to me why Jedi are formidable warriors. Because of their martial skills or because of their ability to use the Force to their advantage?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Give me a statement saying that Warrior's lack force combat.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
LOL @ Comparing Hope Malgus to Darth Sidious.

The intended message of the analogy flew over your head.

My point is that even if Lsu is more skilled then Sidious in lightsaber combat, she isn't beating him. Similarly, even if she is more skilled then Malgus in lightsaber combat, she isn't beating him. And I have pointed out the reason.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Darth Sidious have more skill than any incarnation of Malgus, and he also have more power.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Wouldn't be surprised if LeGenD had Return Malgus > Sidious, tbh.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You don't understand the mechanics of the Force mastery and raw power, and that book have been written by a mediocre author whose statements are often poorly written. Funny thing is that even that author understands the mechanics of the Force mastery well unlike you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Explain to me why Jedi are formidable warriors. Is this because of their martial skills or because of their ability to use the Force to their advantage?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Give me a statement saying a Jedi Guardian lacks force combat.

Just to save time, I'll provide a couple of quotes from the in game codex proving the contrary for Malgus's specialization.
"Sith Warriors are deadly, expert fighters equipped with a lightsaber and the Force. Warriors can rush into a fight with Force Charge and Smash multiple targets with the Force."
"Sith Juggernauts are powerful and defensible warriors that wear heavy armor and can crush targets with the Force."

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It seems like I am arguing with a kid.

It's both, and Raskta Lsu is not lacking in her ability to use the force to bolster her abilities in martial combat, this is what she has spent her whole life studying.
"She spent her life studying ways in which The Force could be used to hone her skills.”-CSWE

Care to point to a specific example of her doing so without battle mediation?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The same "mediocre author" whose Vitiate accolades you wank?

I am trying to make you understand the mechanics and implications of command of the Force and raw power for a Jedi.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
It's both, and Raskta Lsu is not lacking in her ability to use the force to bolster her abilities in martial combat, this is what she has spent her whole life studying.
"She spent her life studying ways in which The Force could be used to hone her skills.”-CSWE

She have certainly learned how to use the Force to her advantage for martial aspects of combat. However, she is relatively inferior to Malgus in command of the Force and raw power aspects, therefore she is disadvantaged.

Clear?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I've already provided the quote covering Raskta's lack of force combat as being based on her specialization.
"A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks."-ROT

Listen kid, I have read that statement and understand it fully. It represents shortcoming of Lsu, not that of Battlemasters in general. Consider Darach as an analogy if you are not getting my point.

Lsu is not powerful in the ways of the Force, and she will be lacking in effectiveness as a consequence.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Just to save time, I'll provide a couple of quotes from the in game codex proving the contrary for Malgus's specialization.
"Sith Warriors are deadly, expert fighters equipped with a lightsaber and the Force. Warriors can rush into a fight with Force Charge and Smash multiple targets with the Force."
"Sith Juggernauts are powerful and defensible warriors that wear heavy armor and can crush targets with the Force."

This doesn't changes the fact that Sith Warriors focus on honing their talents in martial aspects of combat more so then other Sith classes, this is their specialization. However, their effectiveness in influencing the environment depends upon their raw power and command of the Force aspects.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
you're the one flinging around insults.

DMB routinely insults others when he is losing arguments, that's just how he conducts himself.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Straw man.

I am trying to make you understand the mechanics and implications of command of the Force and raw power for a Jedi.

You mean like when you tried to make people understand the mechanics and implications of why Vitiate>The Ones?

Listen kid, I have read that statement and understand it fully. It represents shortcoming of Lsu, not that of Battlemasters in general.

Lsu isn't a battlemaster though. She's a "Weapon's master". clear difference broski. Look it up

Lsu is not powerful in the ways of the Force, and she will be lacking in effectiveness as a consequence.

And? Malgus' MO is not to use force powers first.

This doesn't changes the fact that Sith Warriors focus on honing their talents in martial aspects of combat more so then other Sith classes, this is their specialization. However, their effectiveness in influencing the environment depends upon their raw power and command of the Force aspects.

The same could be said for Jedi Weapon's masters dude.

This is not my intention. However, try not to focus on irrelevant matters. Try to comprehend the point and intended message.

So you can throw insults, but when he does it, it's derailing from the original point? Yeah no. that's some flawed Logic.

Point being, Raskta's a skilled duelist and in all of his encounters prior to the ransacking of the Jedi temple, with Satele and Kao Cen Darach, he clearly goes in lightsaber blazing( 😮‍💨 ) that would also apply here.

DMB made a deliberate false claim about Raskta's use of the force for augmentation and didnt support it with an example

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
DMB is right about raskta's command of the force and how she applies it, but Malgus should ultimately win this fight. While Malgus isn't as intimitely skilled as Raskta with the blade, I believe his raw power should be able to secure him the fight. Return!Malgus was not as purely skilled as Darach, but his pure rage and power ended up dominating him in the end. Matching up Raskta against a more skilled and powerful incarnation of Malgus won't bode well for her. And whilst Orbalisk Bane is a far more dominating combatant than Hope!Malgus, not only did Raskta have battle meditation (which would greatly bolster her efforts and diminish Bane's,) but she had the aid of her companions such as Farfalla to bail her out when Bane exercised his force abilities.

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I felt the need to respond to this, so I did:

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
You mean like when you tried to make people understand the mechanics and implications of why Vitiate>The Ones?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Lsu isn't a battlemaster though. She's a "Weapon's master". clear difference broski. Look it up

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
The same could be said for Jedi Weapon's masters dude.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
So you can throw insults, but when he does it, it's derailing from the original point? Yeah no. that's some flawed Logic.