Originally posted by Emperordmb
I think the BOS quote Seleniel is referring to is Sidious claiming that Bane isn't the Sith'ari, and is trying to assert that he is in fact the Sith'ari.But if a character statement in BOS means that much, then Sorzus Syn and Plagueis are also the Sith'ari.
Well actually apply the code. Bane wasn't free of restriction as he never ruled, and was forced to hide from the Jedi.
Palpatine was uncontrolled and truly free from restriction.
You just proved my point whilst protesting having done so.
Claiming my arguments have no basis despite yourself discussing said basis, being sarcastic for no reason and claiming superiority of your own interpretation over my own, and essentially calling me stubborn and incomprehensible of debates is insulting my intelligence.
Why would I provide statements when everybody here already knows the feats and accolades I am making my argument with? Quote dumping doesn't win debates.
Which was my point because everyone here already knows what those feats are, all my argumrnts are grounded in said feats, but like several other things I've said you took it to mean something else entirely.
No I will not concede in a debate where you ignore what you don't counter and insult my ability to debate when you do.
Apologies for not treating Malgus like he is an unstoppable wrecking machine, his feats after Hope, as the Third Lesson displays are circumstantial and contain strong evidence of a rage amplification making them irrelevant to his Hope incarnation.
So absence of evidence is evidence of absence? Her abilities and knowledge are on full display against a Bane whose advantages are thrice that of her own, she dominates him with little aid beyond Battle Meditation.
Jothun is featless and lacks the skill of Raskta herself or her apprentice Sarro Xaj. Farfalla was incapable of aiding her in the duel despite himself sharing said BM amp and also being a master duelist.
Not to mention that her potentially thousands of Sith Lord kills are evidence in and of themselves.
As far as Cin Drallig is concerned, he was old and far past his prime by the ROTS novelisation as user Selenial pointed out with evidence in the Community Tier thread.
Oh and assuming Sith Lords of any incarnation are all mooks who can barely hold lightsabers is an intense lowball, so is assuming every single one of the thousands to select from all are as well.
Killing one of either Lsu or Worror would have ended the fight, so yes Bane not going for an easy surgical kill is either extreme PIS or evidence that Lsu is not so easily trashed with the Force.
I have a different opinion from your own, we clearly aren't going to agree so I suggest leaving it at this.
Lsu doesn't have exceptional skill in Force Defense, because she restricted all of her prowess in the Force to techniques that bolster her ability in combat, including Force Augmentation.Just because she doesn't have considerable skill in Force Defense does not however mean that anyone with a half decent Force Push roflstomps her.
Until someone actually shows evidence of any feats of force augmentation she has outside of the ones with battle meditation, I'm just going to assume that this is just pointless theorizing. Malgus should be able to just beat her down and dispose of her with his force abilities- like he did to Aryn
Originally posted by AncientPower
You just proved my point whilst protesting having done so.Claiming my arguments have no basis despite yourself discussing said basis, being sarcastic for no reason and claiming superiority of your own interpretation over my own, and essentially calling me stubborn and incomprehensible of debates is insulting my intelligence.
You are not setting a good debating precedent for yourself if you continue to act this way. People will eventually stop taking you seriously because they will notice that you ignore valid points. I have seen this happen but I am not mentioning names.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Why would I provide statements when everybody here already knows the feats and accolades I am making my argument with? Quote dumping doesn't win debates.
Also, it is always wise to double-check available evidence for a topic before delving into it. Us (humans) don't have infallible memory.
Those who do not double-check available evidence for a topic, typically end up making mistakes and poorly informed assertions. This is exactly what have happened here since you have made this mistake. Yet, you fail to notice errors in your post. I don't know what to say.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Which was my point because everyone here already knows what those feats are, all my argumrnts are grounded in said feats, but like several other things I've said you took it to mean something else entirely.
You are making unsubstantiated statements and you WILL BE held accountable for these errors every time you make them whether you like this or not. You should get your facts straight for your own good.
Originally posted by AncientPower
No I will not concede in a debate where you ignore what you don't counter and insult my ability to debate when you do.
Also, I have not insulted your ability to debate. You are too sensitive it seems.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Apologies for not treating Malgus like he is an unstoppable wrecking machine, his feats after Hope, as the Third Lesson displays are circumstantial and contain strong evidence of a rage amplification making them irrelevant to his Hope incarnation.
His feats as of Hope are circumstantial? You continue to get more ridiculous with passing time. You don't have an iota of understanding of the ground realities of the lore and keep on posting more unsubstantiated nonsense.
Lesson # 1 for dummies:-
THE FORCE is a vast, unknowable energy that surrounds and binds all living things in the galaxy. But like life itself, the Force has a dark side, exemplified by base emotions like aggression, hatred, or fear. Sith famously adhere to the dark side, using the Force to corrupt, shape, and destroy life.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
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Malgus is a practitioner of the dark side, he will use his emotions such as anger to fuel his inner strength. This is what Sith learn to do as part of their doctrine.
Malgus is an adept in harnessing his emotions such as anger to fuel his inner strength, he pulls this as off at will:
FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES Darth Malgus has played a crucial role in many major Imperial victories. He has repeatedly taken enemies by surprise and crushes even the strongest resistance with his unorthodox methods and powerful anger.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
Here is another example of Darth Malgus using anger to fuel his inner strength:
Malgus used his distaste for Adraas to further feed his anger. He had requested that Darth Angral allow him to lead the attack alone, but Angral had insisted that Adraas lead the drop ship team.
Discarding his cloak, discarding the remaining restraints on his rage, Malgus joined the Sith charge, taking position before Adraas. Emotion fed his power, and its swell fairly lifted him from his feet. He felt the power of the dark side around him, within him.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
Another:
He resided in the calm eye of a storm of hate. Power churned around him, within him. He did not feel as if he were drawing on the Force, using it. He felt as if he were the Force, as if he had merged with it.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived
Observations of Darth Sidious:
"The writings of Darth Malgus confirm that anger, combined with will, is the key to power. When anger intensifies to rage, it is unstoppable. Malgus utterly submitted to the dark side, and doing so made him an exemplary warrior. His battlefield feats have never been duplicated."
Taken from Book of Sith: Secrets from the dark side
The available data confirms that Malgus frequently uses his emotions such as anger or rage to fuel his inner strength. He pulls this off at will. This is expected from a competent Sith.
Your point is moot.
Originally posted by AncientPower
So absence of evidence is evidence of absence? Her abilities and knowledge are on full display against a Bane whose advantages are thrice that of her own, she dominates him with little aid beyond Battle Meditation.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Jothun is featless and lacks the skill of Raskta herself or her apprentice Sarro Xaj. Farfalla was incapable of aiding her in the duel despite himself sharing said BM amp and also being a master duelist.
Farfalla was incapable of aiding her?
Together the three of them held the Sith Lord at bay: Farfalla on the left flank, Johun on the right, and Raskta in the center. Between blocks and parries they cut and stabbed at his face, their combined efforts finally forcing their enemy into a defensive stance.
Taken from Darth Bane: Rule of Two
What I have been telling you till now? That you need to focus on available evidence instead of making unsubstantiated claims. So far, you have not heeded my advice.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Not to mention that her potentially thousands of Sith Lord kills are evidence in and of themselves.
Where have it been confirmed that she had killed thousands of Sith Lords or even Sith in general?
This is trollish behavior, you realize? I suggest that you take time off from this discussion if you are upset at this moment. Don't waste my time with trollish behavior.
Originally posted by AncientPower
As far as Cin Drallig is concerned, he was old and far past his prime by the ROTS novelisation as user Selenial pointed out with evidence in the Community Tier thread.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh and assuming Sith Lords of any incarnation are all mooks who can barely hold lightsabers is an intense lowball, so is assuming every single one of the thousands to select from all are as well.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Killing one of either Lsu or Worror would have ended the fight, so yes Bane not going for an easy surgical kill is either extreme PIS or evidence that Lsu is not so easily trashed with the Force.
Bane could have killed Lsu easily if it was just her but BM and her allies contributed to her effectiveness and safety for as along as the BM lasted.
And yes, she is easily trashed by the Force power:
A Weapons Master was not skilled at defending against enemy Force attacks.
The impact of the wave would have plastered her against the wall and crushed her had Farfalla not thrown up a shield to protect the Echani.
Taken from Darth Bane: Rule of Two
The other Jedi saved her, with a simple Force barrier. She couldn't do this herself. What a pity.
The reason that she did well against Brotherhood Sith is because they are mooks on average. She had never faced a real Sith Lord before Bane. Sorry if truth hurts.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I have a different opinion from your own, we clearly aren't going to agree so I suggest leaving it at this.
People don't care about opinions, they care about facts and credibility. Your stubbornness is not a good sign. Heed my advice.