Originally posted by The_Tempest
But, as you said earlier, they weren't going for the same thing.
Yes, but you seem to believe that one is more impressive simply because there was no ritual or external aid involved..
One used a ritual to become immortal, the other survived through sheer force of will?How about that?
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yes, but you seem to believe that one is more impressive simply because there was no ritual or external aid involved..
I do. Planetary transformation on that scale? Also, you have to remember that Sidious not only systematically drained the inhabitants, he also mentally enslaved them. Twenty billion people.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Yes, but you seem to believe that one is more impressive simply because there was no ritual or external aid involved..Except that's not true. Sidious had no solution for immortality until he learned essence transfer.
I'm genuinely confused why Essence transfer is less impressive.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He's easily one of the most powerful sith in the mythos. After Sidious, he holds the best hype and accolades, and he has a very impressive combat feat: taking out a groups of powerful jedi with a powerful storm of lightning, which is his best feat on record as far as I know.
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I think he is as closest as it gets to Sidious and acknowledging his place as the second most powerful sith lord is fair. Caedus, Nihilus and Plagueis could challenge Vitiate for that position as well.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I do. Planetary transformation on that scale? Also, you have to remember that Sidious not only systematically drained the inhabitants, he also mentally enslaved them. Twenty [b]billion people. [/B]
His drain is unknown. You said he did it for a number of years, performing random experiments. That doesn't tell us much. Also, there is no mention of his drain shortening anyone's lifespan, so I'm not sure it's a drain in the conventional sense.
At any rate, I find a 10 day ritual, millions upon millions of death, and immortality, all to be slightly more impressive than whatever it is Sidious accomplished with his drain.
Originally posted by Selenial
Neph, what are your reasons for putting Vitiate as the best TP and best Lightning Wielder in the mythos?Genuinely confused, because those two statements are why I think you wank him out of proportion greatly.
For lightning, its that Revan was overwhelmed by his lightning and stated that it was vastly more powerful than Nyriss' lightning, which was also one of the greatest displays given that it possessed enough power to incinerate even after going through a force barrier. You'll probably call nexus on this, so I'll preempt you by saying that I couldn't care less about that. Overwhelming Revan, who has incredible tutaminis abilities, is basically one of the best lightning feats, if not the best. And also Vitiate demolishing a team of the most powerful Jedi of the TOR era with pure lightning. Also a contender.
As for telepathy, well he's stated to be the greatest telepath up to that point in time, apparently making the Dread Masters look like amateur's in comparison. It's his greatest strength and practically unblockable without proper knowledge of it. And I mean, who even rivals him?
Originally posted by Nephthys
For lightning, its that Revan was overwhelmed by his lightning and stated that it was vastly more powerful than Nyriss' lightning, which was also one of the greatest displays given that it possessed enough power to incinerate even after going through a force barrier. You'll probably call nexus on this, so I'll preempt you by saying that I couldn't care less about that. Overwhelming Revan, who has incredible tutaminis abilities, is basically one of the best lightning feats, if not the best. And also Vitiate demolishing a team of the most powerful Jedi of the TOR era with pure lightning. Also a contender.As for telepathy, well he's stated to be the greatest telepath up to that point in time, apparently making the Dread Masters look like amateur's in comparison. It's his greatest strength and practically unblockable without proper knowledge of it. And I mean, who even rivals him?
Being fair, Vitiate didn't dominate the entire strike team with just Lighting. The HoT and Master Braga were able to resist the lighting to the point Vitiate had to put out more power into another burst of Lighting.
I mean, yeah he did dominate the Strike team with lighting. But it wasn't a complete one-shot attack that did it.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Being fair, Vitiate didn't dominate the entire strike team with just Lighting. The HoT and Master Braga were able to resist the lighting to the point Vitiate had to put out more power into another burst of Lighting.I mean, yeah he did dominate the Strike team with lighting. But it wasn't a complete one-shot attack that did it.
Yeah but if we're being fair, Vitiate was spreading power over a large force storm instead of directly attacking them. A bunch of bolts weren't even hitting them. Plus he conjured the storm rather casually, he wasn't putting effort into it.
I won't call Nexus, but Nyriss' example is a special case in terms of her incineration through a barrier. She was doing exactly what Xedrix did in that she built up all her power into one attack, she was in a force rage etc. While incineration is swell and all, I don't think her barrier would have done anything given how little energy she would have had left, which really makes the fact it killed her less impressive. As for Vitiate's. Yes, Nexus, but I won't bother going into that since you ignore Nexus' (So you can wank him harder).
Sidious in turn:
Turned a Sithspawn to ashes with Lightning
Turned 3 Prophets of the Dark Side to mere bones,
Fatally wounds a droid body that can exist on the hottest world in the galaxy,
Lightning overpowered even Yoda,
Created Lightning storms that ravaged Coruscant,
I could go on.
Speaking of Coruscant, Sidious wiped the minds of over a trillion people in an instance. I respect Vitiates feats in the area, but Surik and Scourge had absolutely no trouble resisting him, which suggests his best feats take time. Like the children, the Voicd, the hand, and others.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah but if we're being fair, Vitiate was spreading power over a large force storm instead of directly attacking them. A bunch of bolts weren't even hitting them. Plus he conjured the storm rather casually, he wasn't putting effort into it.
That Thundering Blast doesn't look like conventional lightning, more like a weird TK/lightning conbo. Either way it's weird.
Oh and he conjured it "casually" against weakened Jedi who had fought an entire station, and after a large amount of prep time given HoT and Scourge fought to a standstill.