I'm not getting into a debate on this. You asked why I thought those things so I gave you my reasons. Hopefully you'll choose to see that I don't believe it because of wank, but simply because I've reached different conclusions than you.
Also I'm pretty damn sure it was waaaaaay less than a trillion people. 😬
I'm just curious why you refuse to take Nexus into account, because literally the only reason I can come up with is that it helps you wank him.
Like, you don't see anyone thinking Talzin would be as OP as she was when she fought Sidious if that happened on Coruscant. Or that Malak is capable of matching Revan without his star forge amp.
Originally posted by Selenial
I can't take this post seriously since you seem to fail to understand the basic principles of the dread masters entirely.
And since you just made a blanket statement without anything resembling proof, I'll echo your sentiments in regards to your statement.
The sidious wank is strong with this one.
Most of those votes are probably Intrepid socks though. Plus people have admitted to underrating Vitiate just to piss me and Legend off so those results probably aren't accurate.
Originally posted by Selenial
I'm just curious why you refuse to take Nexus into account, because literally the only reason I can come up with is that it helps you wank him.Like, you don't see anyone thinking Talzin would be as OP as she was when she fought Sidious if that happened on Coruscant. Or that Malak is capable of matching Revan without his star forge amp.
In both of those occasions an amp was made apparent. There's no mention of Vitiate drawing upon a nexus in the Revan novel.
I don't completely discount nexuses, I just don't think they factor in without reason. I count the nexus in the Vitiate v HoT fight because Vitiate was obviously in the temple specifically to draw upon the power there.
Originally posted by Selenial
A creative or artistic liberty is basically pure exaggeration. For example, historical films take "creative liberties" that hold little historical accuracy in the attempt of making them more dramatic, even if they don't stay true to what they actually were.If you want to learn more, read up on Coppola's film Marie Antoinette, that's probably the most well known one.
I think that "room for exploration of abilities" would be better statement.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Eh, I don't feel like scrolling that far back, but it seemed like you were implying that Vitiate embodied the dark side to a greater extent than Sidious did.But I see what you're saying with the rest, though.
The Emperor is more than a man - he is the living embodiment of the dark side.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
He was a living embodiment of the dark side of the Force who delighted in destroying the minds and spirits of those Jedi who came too close to him.
From (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Except for the feats part. Nothing Vitiate has done rivals Sidious combat showings, unless you ignore context.
Emperor smoked 3 Strike Teams of powerful Force-users. One on a space station.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I don't know about that; It's pretty obvious that the scene you just mentioned aboard the Emperor's space station in itself was intended to parallel Palpatine's in the Chancellor's office-it's clear that some level of parity is implied.He does have a lack of ability in regards to physical combat, but I'm questioning how much that matters. Other sorcerers like Mother Talzin and Gethzerion could go toe to toe with Sidious, and I'd consider none of them to be Vitiate's equal.
Emperor weakened the defenses of all Jedi with lightning storm and then unleashed sorcery to render them unconscious. Emperor's lightning can melt bodies and superheat metal, if he have lethal intentions. It is obvious that Emperor went easy on this Strike Team and wanted to use the Jedi as his puppets for his personal goals.
Palpatine's fight in the Chancellor office is strictly martial combat oriented. I didn't see Palpatine using his powers to gain advantage until he was down on his knees.
Emperor's combat prowess is comparatively on a different plane then that of Sidious in canon.
Sidious's fight against the brothers and choke of Count Dooku are the feats that bring him closer to Emperor's combat prowess but only to a certain extent.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
You're silly. Vitiate is BioWare's and Karpyshyn's character. Their interpretation of him not aligning with what you think he should be is not a valid argument.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Palpatine's Force storms are "triggered by mere thought and inclination" {The Essential Guide to the Force} and, at their maximum potency, "threaten to consume all of space" {The Dark Empire endnotes}.BTW, I echo Skillz's sentiment in that your response was very good.
Skillz, what say you on this subject?
Every power is triggered with mere thought and inclination by the way.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ok, I'll have to double check.Regarding Byss, Sidious transformed Byss into "one of the strongest dark side sites in the galaxy" {"Byss and the Deep Core"} with his own hellish energies. An approximate timeframe for that feat isn't given {it's said the process was "slow"} but I think it's safe to assume it took longer than a week or however long was required for Vitiate to ravage Nathema.
At the same time, to FreshestSlice's point, a shitton of full-fledged Sith Lords were involved in that. Their overall point is that Sidious is more or less a self-made man whereas Vitiate had a lot of metaphysical help.
As a staunch Republican, you should admire how much more of a baller that makes Sidious. uhuh
Originally posted by Selenial
Do not mistake me, I believe Talzin would beat Vitiate when she's at full strength on Dathomir. She has better one on one lighting, her force barriers are some of the most impressive we've ever seen. She can dominate Dooku which honestly makes me doubt Vitiate could TP her, since his best feats (Children, Voice etcetera) were all rituals and took weeks, sometimes years, to turn into effect. You cannot TK dust, and her teleportation allows her a quick entry into blade combat unlike how Revan started. That's an area vitiate is weak in.
Lastly with Maul and Savage there for her to draw strength off, Any powerful attacks Vitiate can conjure she can repel.No it wouldn't be a slaughter, yes she'd have to work for it. The only reason I said slaughter was that Neph and Legend lost their shit when I did...
Don't try to pretend that you are free from bias. I see how you perceive Darth Nyriss in particular.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I do. Planetary transformation on that scale? Also, you have to remember that Sidious not only systematically drained the inhabitants, he also mentally enslaved them. Twenty billion people.