Originally posted by AncientPower
Team definitely, if the Revan + Surik team is good enough to give the Emperor trouble he would certainly be at a loss to take down two far superior opponents.
1) That was before prime Vitiate
2) Revan+Surik+Scourge team isnt as weak as you make them sound.
3) We don't know if the team would actually give Vitiate trouble.
We have no idea how much more powerful Vitiate may or may not have gotten. Beyond that Vitiate was in his original body at the time which may imply a lot more power than any of his Voice-based showings have.
Revan is the only one of those three that even compares to Exar Kun, on the other hand both Kun and Ulic are master duelists with extreme Force Power. Kun himself is arguably top five Sith of all time.
The team did give Vitiate trouble, he could have been killed there and then. Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma are certainly the stronger team and would certainly be far more challenging. In my opinion too challenging.
Ulic Qel-Droma has undergone extensive mental torture and only been corrupted due to Sith poison. Not to mention had the strength of mind to maintain a connection to the Force strong enough to allow him to achieve Oneness with the Force after having been Severed from it.
Exar Kun had the willpower to last thousands of years as a Sith spirit and fight off the void, a feat that Sidious found mentally exhausting. His willpower also managed to over-come post-DE Luke's own.
I am very speculative of his ability to pull this off whilst holding off two much faster and very powerful Sith Lords themselves.
Originally posted by Sinious
1) That was before prime Vitiate
2) Revan+Surik+Scourge team isnt as weak as you make them sound.
3) We don't know if the team would actually give Vitiate trouble.
1) Do you have a source for this? Its heavily implied that his power is not limitless and he will eventually die when it runs out. And its not like he did another ritual in the 300 years between SWTOR and Revan.
2) Exar Kun is at least on Revan's level force wise and his superior with a saber and Ulic is his equal with a blade. Ulic is Nyriss level, they are a superior team.
3) Yes we do. Scourge sees a vision of the future with Vitiate dead at Revan's feet.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Wasn't that HoT?
Not just HoT, Scourge did see futures where Revan could have won
Bear in mind? Even if it wasn't the most frequent future? The fact the outcome was a possibility at all says a good deal.
Originally posted by AncientPower
We have no idea how much more powerful Vitiate may or may not have gotten. Beyond that Vitiate was in his original body at the time which may imply a lot more power than any of his Voice-based showings have.Revan is the only one of those three that even compares to Exar Kun, on the other hand both Kun and Ulic are master duelists with extreme Force Power. Kun himself is arguably top five Sith of all time.
The team did give Vitiate trouble, he could have been killed there and then. Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma are certainly the stronger team and would certainly be far more challenging. In my opinion too challenging.
We don't know for sure which ones were the Voice in SWTOR.
I rank Kun higher than most people but I think that he isn't in top 5. Revan vs Kun is a close fight and Meetra+Scourge vs Ulic is not a bad fight either and the team didnt give him trouble. Vitiate underestimated Revan and ended up getting hurt which really isnt surprising since Revan himself admits that last time he faced the Emperor, it wasn't even a fight so Vitiate probably assumed that Revan wouldn't be a real challenge to him. Also, Scourge and Meetra weren't even helping Revan there.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
1) Do you have a source for this? Its heavily implied that his power is not limitless and he will eventually die when it runs out. And its not like he did another ritual in the 300 years between SWTOR and Revan.2) Exar Kun is at least on Revan's level force wise and his superior with a saber and Ulic is his equal with a blade. Ulic is Nyriss level, they are a superior team.
3) Yes we do. Scourge sees a vision of the future with Vitiate dead at Revan's feet.
1) Well its known that he was feeding on his servants constantly and he was getting stronger within each century but this is what I have atm: "Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail." - SWTORE
2) I agree that they are superior but not by a margin. First of all, team Revan had an advantage. Because of Revan, they were able to resist Vitiate's mind attacks. They also have the advantage in numbers. Kun and his former apprentice won't be taken out as easily as Revan and Malak but I still don't think they can take the Emperor down.
3) Scourge sees incalculable amount of possibilities of the future. It really doesn't mean that they were powerful enough to challenge him. IIRC, the novel kinda states that none of them knew if they actually had a chance or not. It's an unknown matter and using it as an argument doesn't make sense to me tbh.
Originally posted by ares834
Yes they did. Revan alone knocked Vitiate on his ass and the Exile could have killed Vitiate had she wanted to instead of saving Revan. Then we have Scourge's visions...
Yeah, I already said Revan gave him trouble.
But again, the circumstances are quite clear there. If you put the trio in front of Vitiate in an arena and make them go all out on each other, I doubt that they will ever get the chance to get near to him.
