Originally posted by Sinious
1) Well its known that he was feeding on his servants constantly and he was getting stronger within each century but this is what I have atm: "Servants of the Hand share their Master's longevity, living untouched by age for centuries under his command. In return, the Emperor draws on his servant's strength in the Force and body to feed his ever-increasing power, leaving the servants withered and frail." - SWTORE
Eh, good enough. Still not really evidence of any considerable increase in martial prowess.
2) I agree that they are superior but not by a margin. First of all, team Revan had an advantage. Because of Revan, they were able to resist Vitiate's mind attacks. They also have the advantage in numbers. Kun and his former apprentice won't be taken out as easily as Revan and Malak but I still don't think they can take the Emperor down.
I'd agree, but even a slight degree of superiority is enough considering this group was already enough to match Vitiate.
3) Scourge sees incalculable amount of possibilities of the future. It really doesn't mean that they were powerful enough to challenge him. IIRC, the novel kinda states that none of them knew if they actually had a chance or not. It's an unknown matter and using it as an argument doesn't make sense to me tbh.
"But there was no way to choose the most likely outcome"
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh, good enough. Still not really evidence of any considerable increase in martial prowess.
Is power not an applicable feature in combat?
I'd agree, but even a slight degree of superiority is enough considering this group was already enough to match Vitiate."But there was no way to choose the most likely outcome"
match Vitiate? So Scourge saw millions of scenarios and in some of them Vitiate was defeated and that proves they were powerful enough to match him?
Vitiate underestimated Revan and put himself in a vulnerable position. Once he used his most powerful attack, Revan was no match for him. And Revan was far above the other two as they were in no position to defend themselves against Nyriss. So if Revan was instantly overwhelmed by Vitiate's lightning, I don't see how the rest of the group could make a difference.
More importantly, Vitiate's mentality changed after that confrontation. He created Voices and was more cautious in general. You can also see this change in SWTOR as he unleashes his potent attacks right away against the strike team instead of fooling around. So in this case, he won't do the same mistake again against Kun and Ulic.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
1) Do you have a source for this? Its heavily implied that his power is not limitless and he will eventually die when it runs out. And its not like he did another ritual in the 300 years between SWTOR and Revan.2) Exar Kun is at least on Revan's level force wise and his superior with a saber and Ulic is his equal with a blade. Ulic is Nyriss level, they are a superior team.
3) Yes we do. Scourge sees a vision of the future with Vitiate dead at Revan's feet.
It wasn't Revan, it was HoT
Originally posted by SunRazer
IIRC Vitiate fears Kun alone in power, but he could probably still win a Force-only duel, or lose with tremendous effort on the duo's part.
Why would Vitiate have trouble beating Kun in a force fight? Revan has better showings than Kun in the force and Vitiate makes Revan his b*tch every time they encounter.
Vitiate. SOR Revan duked out against a strike team that was even more powerful than the one sent after Vitiate in the novel, and it's universally acknowledged in the same expansion that Vitiate is infinitely stronger than Revan, or anyone. Whether or not it's directly stated, Vitiate is obviously being displayed as far more powerful in recent SWTOR updates than during the novel.
Kun has frozen over 10,000 individuals simultaneously without effort and stomped Vodo whilst doing so. Tanked bombing runs with no visual sign of effort and shrugged off Odan-Urr's Sever Force attack. He is stated to have more knowledge of the Force than Darth Vader and in his time as Dark Lord of the Sith been the most powerful in the galaxy and was darker than any other Sith of the time. He has been stated to be far more powerful than Thon, Jeth, Odan and all other Jedi of the day.
Not seeing where Revan is more powerful in the Force.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
1) Do you have a source for this? Its heavily implied that his power is not limitless and he will eventually die when it runs out. And its not like he did another ritual in the 300 years between SWTOR and Revan.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
2) Exar Kun is at least on Revan's level force wise and his superior with a saber and Ulic is his equal with a blade. Ulic is Nyriss level, they are a superior team.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
3) Yes we do. Scourge sees a vision of the future with Vitiate dead at Revan's feet.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
1) Do you have a source for this? Its heavily implied that his power is not limitless and he will eventually die when it runs out. And its not like he did another ritual in the 300 years between SWTOR and Revan.
Swtore. It says his power was "ever increasing" as he fed on his Servants (and Revan).