Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah. Interestingly that Jedi seemed stronger than Lana. Unless Vitiate was boosting her strength while in possession of her.
I think that's it. She shouldn't have hoped to defeat Nox on her own power otherwise. Besides, she had some crazy TK action going on which I doubt would be the case if Vitiate hadn't boosted her power.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Can someone provide a quote saying Vitiate had possessed the population of the planet in it's entirety? Because so far I've only been able to find Lana telling us that he's terrorizing a specific sector. Much appreciated.
Unleashed from hiding on Yavin 4, the former Sith Emperor has struck the Imperial world of Ziost. Using his immense power in the dark side of the Force, he has dominated the minds of the planet's martial forces--as well as an elite cadre of militaristic Jedi--and has set them against the populace, engaging in a bloody slaughter.- From TOR Patch notes
Considering though it says, he takes control of the martial forces and Jedi, that doesn't mean he took over the entire planet especially when it says he sent them at the population.
So him dominating a sector seems about right.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well unless there's literally only one city on the entire planet.....
Hm?
Lana's quote and the Patch Notes quote seems to be fine with consistency.
He only mind dominated the military forces and sent to kill the population.
So him dominating a sector seems about right and really he doesn't need anything else to slaughter the population if they are defenseless, it doesn't have to be an instant slaughter of everything. Maybe he has a bigger scheme going on...
Eh we shall see when all this unfolds in full.
Originally posted by NephthysYour missing the point, I'm saying that he can do more i.e. perform more advanced abilites, with less power. E.g. 70% Spirit Sith Emperor > 100% Corporeal Sith Emperor, because as a spirit he is an intrinsically heightened connection to the Force, regardless of whether his powers are depleted or not.
You really think that if Vitiate was at full strength he'd still be unable to dominate Lana? He's clearly still not all there yet.
And was Lana in the Sith Emperor's presence? I presume not. Which would mean its not proof Spirit Sith Emperor is inferior, as he has never dominated a mind from a far until now. Which is probably no coincidence.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Hm?Lana's quote and the Patch Notes quote seems to be fine with consistency.
He only mind dominated the military forces and sent to kill the population.
So him dominating a sector seems about right and really he doesn't need anything else to slaughter the population if they are defenseless, it doesn't have to be an instant slaughter of everything. Maybe he has a bigger scheme going on...
Eh we shall see when all this unfolds in full.
It says he controlled the planets military force. Indicating it's across the entire planet. The entire military force of a planet isn't going to be in a single sector unless that's the only population zone.
And I mean, that they even split Ziost into sectors indicates there's a need to differentiate between population zones. And it's mentioned theres fighting across the globe. Which pretty much proves there isn't.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your missing the point, I'm saying that he can do more i.e. perform more advanced abilites, with less power. E.g. 70% Spirit Sith Emperor > 100% Corporeal Sith Emperor, because as a spirit he is an intrinsically heightened connection to the Force, regardless of whether his powers are depleted or not.And was Lana in the Sith Emperor's presence? I presume not. Which would mean its not proof Spirit Sith Emperor is inferior, as he has never dominated a mind from a far until now. Which is probably no coincidence.
There's nothing indicating that's true or that he has a heightened connection to the Force. If anything he has a lesser connection to the Force because he's not actually connected to it like someone would be through their midi-chlorians. That's probably why spirits get so tired so easily and need outside replenishment. They lack the ability to channel power from the Force directly. And you didn't explain why that would make his feat easier for him to perform. Why would your theoretical state make it so he can do more with less?
What? Why do you think he needs to be in someones presence? He's a spirit, he doesn't have a presence. And he's controlled the military of an entire planet, was he in the presence of all of them at the time? But yeah, he was. In his Jedi Master body, multiple times. He wasn't in the presence of the soldiers he dominates at the end of the video either, so obviously it isn't needed. Not that there's a reason a mental domination would require such proximity even speculatively. And as a spirit, there's nothing stopping him from simply getting closer to her if that's a factor.
Originally posted by Nephthys
There's nothing indicating that's true or that he has a heightened connection to the Force. If anything he has a lesser connection to the Force because he's not actually connected to it like someone would be through their midi-chlorians. That's probably why spirits get so tired so easily and need outside replenishment. They lack the ability to channel power from the Force directly. And you didn't explain why that would make his feat easier for him to perform. Why would your theoretical state make it so he can do more with less?What? Why do you think he needs to be in someones presence? He's a spirit, he doesn't have a presence. And he's controlled the military of an entire planet, was he in the presence of all of them at the time? But yeah, he was. In his Jedi Master body, multiple times. He wasn't in the presence of the soldiers he dominates at the end of the video either, so obviously it isn't needed. Not that there's a reason a mental domination would require such proximity even speculatively. And as a spirit, there's nothing stopping him from simply getting closer to her if that's a factor.
Well Vitiate’s power appears to be “diffused” now ala Morgoth. When he corrupted Revan and Malak it was far more centralized in his body allowing him to use the entirety of his power to corrupt those two. During this expansion his essence is scattered through millions(?) of beings and presumably a far smaller portion of his power is expanded in attempting to subjugate Lana.
As for whether he is stronger or not, I don’t know. He certainly seems considerably more powerful than the guy who was knocked on his ass twice by Revan.
Originally posted by ares834
As for whether he is stronger or not, I don’t know. He certainly seems considerably more powerful than the guy who was knocked on his ass twice by Revan.
Him getting knocked on his ass doesn't have much to do with power. Vitiate is indeed stronger in SWTOR than he was in the novel but I think that isn't a good example to make a case here.