Lol @ Ant claiming outdated quotes, but using outdated quotes for Revan.
Lol @ LeGenD claiming Vitiate is no longer a sith. I can just as well say Palpatine isn't a sith, but a nexus of dark side energy that swells and bursts the fabric of space. They're both sith, except Palpatine is his superior.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious also mindwiped potentially millions on Coruscant.Also the Sith Emperor's spirit form would in many ways make him more dominating, we've seen many times "mortals" unable to resist Sith spirits. Take the Dark Temple for example, where spirits of Sith Lords (eclipsed by the Emperor's power no doubt) were able to easily dominate the minds of non-Force sensitives and Force sensitives alike. Any supremely powerful Sith spirit would be able to magnify this feat tenfold.
Not to mention, Vitiate drew on the potent energies of Ziost to increase his power (nexus feat, lol). What Palpatine did to Byss was more impressive in that he infused Byss with his own power.
Still an extremely impressive feat for Vitiate and now I'm not so hesitant on placing Vitiate above Plagueis.
Originally posted by Revanchiste
This debate will go on for day untils the end of the 3.2....
Actualy one month after...
I win you're all gonna to post a top 20 stupid things about T WC 2008. Or what TCW do wrong.
Why and if I loose? What I bet? Nothing, I'm not gona to loose this.
No one ready to bet his balls or boobs?
Originally posted by Zenwolf
I understand yes, that he uses his immense power in the darkside.But I'm not really using it as an argument, just speculating that he could also be possible drawing from Zoist too along with his power.
But anyway I'm done, just gonna wait and see what is what when the expansion comes out and what happens.
Never mind LeGenD, it's made clear at the beginning of the video that he's using the nexus of Ziost.
Regardless, spirit Palpatine was opening up and controlling wormholes. He did so to teleport his spirit light years away from the Death Star. So even in that form, Sidious is Vitiate's superior.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Lol @ LeGenD claiming Vitiate is no longer a sith. I can just as well say Palpatine isn't a sith, but a nexus of dark side energy that swells and bursts the fabric of space. They're both sith, except Palpatine is his superior.
The Emperor was no longer a member of the Sith species; his power and immortality had transformed him into a being unique in the galaxy.
Taken from (Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan)
Why do you think that both Jedi and Sith want to stop Emperor?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not to mention, Vitiate drew on the potent energies of Ziost to increase his power (nexus feat, lol). What Palpatine did to Byss was more impressive in that he infused Byss with his own power.
Unleashed from hiding on Yavin 4, the former Sith Emperor has struck the Imperial world of Ziost. Using his immense power in the dark side of the Force, he has dominated the minds of the planet's martial forces--as well as an elite cadre of militaristic Jedi--and has set them against the populace, engaging in a bloody slaughter.
Source: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=802798
Originally posted by ares834
Sure it does. It deals with precog and force defenses.
His focus and energy was used on TP at the beginning and his overconfidence made him underestimate the opposition. The moment he used his potent attack, Revan was instantly overwhelmed. If they were as comparable as you think, we would see something similar to Yoda's performance against Sidious' lightning.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Still an extremely impressive feat for Vitiate and now I'm not so hesitant on placing Vitiate above Plagueis.
I think you'll think the same with Caedus when/if Vitiate takes a physical form and gets less vague combat feats in future patches.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Never mind LeGenD, it's made clear at the beginning of the video that he's using the nexus of Ziost.Regardless, spirit Palpatine was opening up and controlling wormholes. He did so to teleport his spirit light years away from the Death Star. So even in that form, Sidious is Vitiate's superior.
Palpatine, after loosing his body on Endor, arrived on Byss in essence form with aid of other spirits. He managed to possess an individual after his arrival and spent years regaining his strength. In-fact, Palpatine became more powerful then he ever had been before during his time of recuperation on Byss; he drew strength from Byss populace to fuel his own, and used such power to unleash wormholes.
Originally posted by Sinious
His focus and energy was used on TP at the beginning and his overconfidence made him underestimate the opposition. The moment he used his potent attack, Revan was instantly overwhelmed. If they were as comparable as you think, we would see something similar to Yoda's performance against Sidious' lightning.
So his attempt at turning Revan took so much power and concentration he was left defenseless against Revan's counter attack and he got knocked on his ass. Thank you for proving my point for me. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are making shit up. Do not misrepresent Palpatine's actions.Palpatine, after loosing his body on Endor, arrived on Byss in essence form with aid of other spirits. He managed to possess an individual after his arrival and spent years regaining his strength. In-fact, Palpatine became more powerful then he ever had been before during his time of recuperation on Byss. He also drew strength from Byss populace to fuel his own and used such power to unleash wormholes.
Feeding on Byss' populace only served to increase his life span, especially his inferior clones. He was no where near Byss when he unleashed a storm against the republic. Furthermore, the DE endnotes establishes that was the result of Palpatine's own power, as he was a chaotic nexus of dark side energy.
He had aid from other sith to break free from chaos after being consumed by his redirected force storm, not when Vader killed him. Everyone has seen the source. Sorry LeGenD. I can provide it later in case anyone hasn't.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Watch the video LeGenD.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Nihilus would qualify as not being a sith more than either of them, yet he's still categorized as a sith. Different sith have different ambitions, but still a sith. Vitiate's a sith, and an inferior one to Sidious as are the rest. Lol
Originally posted by Sinious
I think you'll think the same with Caedus when/if Vitiate takes a physical form and gets less vague combat feats in future patches.
Less vague combat feats doesn't translate to being a Caedus level combatant. Though Vitiate has more potent attacks, Caedus' defenses are stronger than Vitiate's attacks, and possibly even greater TK.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Feeding on Byss' populace only served to increase his life span, especially his inferior clones.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He was no where near Byss when he unleashed a storm against the republic.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Furthermore, the DE endnotes establishes that was the result of Palpatine's own power, as he was a chaotic nexus of dark side energy.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
He had aid from other sith to break free from chaos after being consumed by his redirected force storm, not when Vader killed him. Everyone has seen the source. Sorry LeGenD. I can provide it later in case anyone hasn't.
Sith spirit: Emperor of numerous worlds... Lord Vader's throne still remains empty. Have you now come to take his place and join us? // Palpatine: No! Not that... ...Your spirits guided me back to this life when I was destroyed by Vader... and his children... My aging clone body will soon die. I need healing... Now.
Taken from (Star Wars: Empire's End)
Also:
He had spent over a year disembodied, formless, drifting through the maddening void of the Dark Side.
He had never foreseen having to transport his spirit so far across space. He had nearly dispersed forever, but he had survived, and now need never fear death again.
As soon as consciousness flickered back to a new clone body on Byss, he opened his eyes. All was as he had planned. He laughed out loud. He
had won! The Rebellion had defeated his fleet, but he would return to rule the galaxy again.
He knew there would be war among his servants since none of them had the knowledge or power he held.
But he wasn't in a position to act just yet. Years of rest and recovery lay ahead. Perhaps it was better this way. His forces had failed him, and the price for failure was what it had always been, death.
As years passed and he grew stronger, he began to concentrate more on his Dark Side studies. Still, he did grow occasionally concerned when one leader or another would come close to silencing the others and claiming the throne. Such ones were dealt with easily. He could let any of his Dark Side Adepts or other loyal servants handle the matter. After all, he still had his Hands and his Noghri.
Taken from (The Dark Empire Sourcebook)
Originally posted by ares834
So his attempt at turning Revan took so much power and concentration he was left defenseless against Revan's counter attack and he got knocked on his ass. Thank you for proving my point for me. 🙂
Yeah, what they focus on in fights is very important.
"The Emperor, unprepared and with much of his strength diverted to his effort to dominate Revan’s mind, was sent flying backward."
I never said Vitiate is invincible. 😬 I'm sure you agree that trying to dominate someone's mind takes more effort than defending against it so if it doesn't work, it can backfire like it did in this case. Vitiate never saw that coming though. He was able f*** Scourge up without even properly mindraping him and Scourge is Meetra Surik's equal. So I'm pretty sure he didn't think there was someone out there who could actually defend against his TP attacks and tbf, Revan was successful mostly due to experience.
They still aren't as close as you make it sound though.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Less vague combat feats doesn't translate to being a Caedus level combatant. Though Vitiate has more potent attacks, Caedus' defenses are stronger than Vitiate's attacks, and possibly even greater TK.
By less vague combat feats, I meant defeating TOR top dogs instead of mindraping armies etc. Some saber feats would be good too. Remaining a top tier sith without any is pretty challenging.
Originally posted by psmith81992
As usual with anything you say, this begs proof.
As usual, you'll deny such evidence even if shoved in your face, and assert Vitiate's lightning to be all powerful and use the fact that Caedus has never deflected lightning of Vitiate's caliber, instead of comparing/contrasting the attacks and coming to a logical conclusion. Or, you'll just bring up some fancy non-related combat feat as a counter-argument.