Originally posted by NewGuy01
"Goku has not only closed the power gap that existed between himself and Hit, but has reversed their roles entirely. A unique ability such as Time Skip only works at maximum efficiency on those equal or lesser than the user's power level."[b]-Whis, DBS 13
Tooooooollldddd you sooooo~ [/B]
This is manga you are talking about?
So, Black identity will be revealed in Episode 53.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
"Goku has not only closed the power gap that existed between himself and Hit, but has reversed their roles entirely. A unique ability such as Time Skip only works at maximum efficiency on those equal or lesser than the user's power level."[b]-Whis, DBS 13
Tooooooollldddd you sooooo~ [/B]
Manga.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Does that contradict the anime though? That's the only reason it wouldn't be viable
It wasn't said at all...we just see Goku moving through time stop at super speed so we take what we see. Goku didn't even use Kaioken in the Manga. Hell, he went Super Saiyan Red God in the manga against Hit and then went Blue. If you're going to accept the Manga over the anime even though the Manga is centuries behind, you might as well ignore everything that is going on in the Anime right now and just focus your attention on the Manga because as of right now, the Manga contradicts everything that is going on in the Anime.
Still, Goku's base should be stronger than Super Gogeta by a mile at this point... Not to mention SSJ/SSJ2. Trunks achieving that sort of power without becoming a God is nonsensical...
This episode also begs the question... How much stronger than SSJ3 is God/Blue? Because the consensus until recently has been that God isn't that much stronger than SSJ, but now he's using SSJ3 and the multipliers are still clearly high.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Still, Goku's base should be stronger than Super Gogeta by a mile at this point... Not to mention SSJ/SSJ2. Trunks achieving that sort of power without becoming a God is nonsensical...This episode also begs the question... How much stronger than SSJ3 is God/Blue? Because the consensus until recently has been that God isn't that much stronger than SSJ, but now he's using SSJ3 and the multipliers are still clearly high.
Ill have to see the episode but I don't think Goku would try to take out Trunks...let alone hurt him. We've see the power difference between a Super Saiyan 3 and base level Vegeta and it is humongous. We've also seen that with Beerus and Goku. Nothing will change this. Also, Vegeta at base killed a being stronger than Mystic Gohan. Yeah, I'm sure Gogeta is fodder to someone like Goku.
Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't said at all...we just see Goku moving through time stop at super speed so we take what we see. Goku didn't even use Kaioken in the Manga. Hell, he went Super Saiyan Red God in the manga against Hit and then went Blue. If you're going to accept the Manga over the anime even though the Manga is centuries behind, you might as well ignore everything that is going on in the Anime right now and just focus your attention on the Manga because as of right now, the Manga contradicts everything that is going on in the Anime.
Well anime > manga, but if its not a contradiction, just an explanation, well....that's also canon. And it makes more sense than speeding through a time stop to be honest, because Goku talks about how Hits so inferior his time stop is now way behind or something to that extent .
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
I haven't watched the current episode, but if Trunks was able to deal with SSJ2(?) Goku is the case, then probably certain parts of Dragon Ball Super episodes aren't written by Toriyama himself. Any thoughts about this?
Most of the content of Dragon Ball super episodes very likely aren't written by Toriyama, lol. He just writes the basic script and sends it to the anime producers and the dude doing the manga, and they improvise. That's why they're so different, lol.
Okay, just watched the episode. It makes me wonder if there are '2 versions' of Goku's power here. Goku without godly ki, and with godly ki. He was able to take on 4th form Freeza (RoF) in base form, and now he has to use SSJ2 and 3 to fight Trunks?
As for the fight between Trunks and Goku, SSJ2 Goku doesn't even land a hit and only defending himself, before transforming to SSJ3. Well, it's still hard to guess. But maybe it's like Damborgson said, Goku just want to gauge Black's power from Trunks.
The flashback of future Trunks destroying Dabura, he didn't look SSJ2 there like he did sparring against Goku, though hard to tell for sure, but kinda answers the age old debate of who was stronger between Cell and Dabura.
Dabura only looked good against Gohan because Gohan's fighting skills became unpolished and sloppy through lack of training, while Dabura and Babibi got clowned by future Trunks... Even in the future the Demon King gets royally screwed; I guess with no Goku and Vegeta around in that time fighting each other, preventing Majin Buu's reawakening isn't that hard.
Originally posted by bbrem123
If black is more powerful thank Goku it makes no sense how Trunks is still alive right now. He should have been one shot by him.
Didn't look like he was serious fighting Trunks. Also, Beerus and Whis is highly impressed at Trunks power level and is surprised someone (Black) could beat him. I think Trunks is more powerful than what we are thinking.