Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by carver9
Goku was holding back like he always does. Vegeta and Goku outright admits he holds back during battle to make things interesting. He wasn't near serious and this is why I was telling you all that you over hyped Goku showings against his friends. The guy holds back, this has been out right said and you all still ignore this and think he is going full throttle in all of his fights. He has been holding back since his childhood and he is still doing it now. This proves that he held back against Berserk Kale. This is why Jiren didn't think of her as a threat and casually took her out.

She's powerful but she is no where close to the big dogs.

Goku's going easy on people is usually not powering up past ssj. He only went ssb against Krillin to test how he'd react to such power.

Originally posted by ares834
Which implies that Goku was holding back like he has been doing consistently in this tournament. This episode proves that LSSJ Kale isn't SSG level and certainly not SSB level.

They outright said conrolled Kale was much more powerful then her berserk form.

Carv doesn't pay attention to anything but his delusions.

Originally posted by Kento
Goku's going easy on people is usually not powering up past ssj. He only went ssb against Krillin to test how he'd react to such power. Or that berserk Kale, and lssj Kale aren't the same power... But LSSJ Kale is > SSJ Kale by a wide margin. Caulifla was pretty much just fodder and distraction to ssg. And then Kale just stands watching Caulifla dodge a energy ball apparently instead of attacking Gokou...

Except they state in this episode that Kale now has that power and can control it... She is as strong as she was berserk, and per Tien perhaps even stronger.

The actual situation doesn't reflect that, though. Jiren and Toppo seem to be much more concerned about Berserk!Kale than SSJB Vegeta, who is certainly stronger than Kale is now.

They also expressed more concern for her than Kafla. So I don't take it to mean much when it comes to pure power.

The output of power between the two are sizably different though. AND we know rage = power with saiyans...

Jiren seems to be twitching feeling the power of Kalfla.. Though Toppo not noticing is weird. He reacts to Berserk Kale's power, but Vegeta seems more freaked out by Kalfla's power than he was Jiren's and Toppo is just like whatever.

Originally posted by Kento
There's a difference between holding back against Krillen, being forced to go ssb against 17, and being completely dominated unable to do anything against Berserk Kale... Specially since Goku started shaking from excitement when seeing Berserk Kale again. And Jiren DID think of her as a threat. Hence the reason he stepped in...

Goku's going easy on people is usually not powering up past ssj. He only went ssb against Krillin to test how he'd react to such power. Or that berserk Kale, and lssj Kale aren't the same power... But LSSJ Kale is > SSJ Kale by a wide margin. Caulifla was pretty much just fodder and distraction to ssg. And then Kale just stands watching Caulifla dodge a energy ball apparently instead of attacking Gokou...

I wouldn't say force against 17 either since we know Goku was holding back just like he was against Krillin and Roshi. He always holds back, I don't get what the issue is.

He was still shaking when she turned into nice mode. True power level readers said that Kale at her controlled state is more powerful.

Goku holds back, you can't take fights serious. Now when he fought Jiren, that was truly him.

Yep. If that wasn't clear before with his fight against Krillin; then it's been confirmed now.

Gotta love how Krillin always has to d1ckride Goku in each episode.

I think it would be cooler if Kale would have kept the Broly looks instead of this.

Kinda agree, but if she’s in a more controlled state, it’s only right to look the part I guess.

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Now I’m curious as to what english dub Zeno will sound like soon. lol

Good episode, except ''I can't sense a limit to her power", typical exaggeration.

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't say force against 17 either since we know Goku was holding back just like he was against Krillin and Roshi. He always holds back, I don't get what the issue is.

He was still shaking when she turned into nice mode. True power level readers said that Kale at her controlled state is more powerful.

Goku holds back, you can't take fights serious. Now when he fought Jiren, that was truly him.

Goku was serious against #17.

Kefla will probably end up beating SSJB KK. Jiren may have to step in. We can see in the episode preview that his eye is twitching and shit, so I think they're foreshadowing his re-awakening sometime soon.

Originally posted by cdtm
Goku was serious against #17.

After Black arc, the only time Goku was really serious was against Jiren.

Originally posted by ares834
They also expressed more concern for her than Kafla. So I don't take it to mean much when it comes to pure power.

Kafla's still in base. I suspect their attitude will change before this is over.

Dollars to donuts the whole point of this stupid arc is to show Ultra Instinct Goku stomping them even easier then Jiren did berserk Kale.

A super built up, dragged out example of one upmanship.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kafla's still in base. I suspect their attitude will change before this is over.

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Kafla is seemingly going Mastered LSSJ next episode, so she's gonna be beyond powerful.

Jiren Vs Kefla: Gary Stu Vs Mary Sue.

And not in a fun way, like Vorg vs Sendou. (Leave you to guess which is the mary sue 🙂 )

Originally posted by carver9
I wouldn't say force against 17 either since we know Goku was holding back just like he was against Krillin and Roshi. He always holds back, I don't get what the issue is.

He was still shaking when she turned into nice mode. True power level readers said that Kale at her controlled state is more powerful.

Goku holds back, you can't take fights serious. Now when he fought Jiren, that was truly him.