Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Galan007
Herms and Dragon Team(where the subs I post come from) are BY FAR the most reliable fan-subs anywhere on the internet. Most of the other subbers out there don't actually know much(if any) Japanese themselves, and just try to plug the dialogue into Google-translator or whatever. Conversely, Herms and Dragon Team are actually fluent in both reading and speaking Japanese--that's why their translations are so reliable.

It's the same basic reason we get these kinds of discrepancies...

[b]Unofficial scanlation:

"galaxieS"

Official translation:

"planetS"

Feel me?

Reading/translating Japanese is an art that takes years of practice to perfect. It's not a casual hobby that anyone(who expects accuracy) can dabble in. Many people don't grasp that concept--ergo mistranslated dialogue. [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007
Herms and Dragon Team(where the subs I post come from) are BY FAR the most reliable fan-subs anywhere on the internet. Most of the other subbers out there don't actually know much(if any) Japanese themselves, and just try to plug the dialogue into Google-translator or whatever. Conversely, Herms and Dragon Team are actually fluent in both reading and speaking Japanese--that's why their translations are so reliable.

It's the same basic reason we get these kinds of discrepancies...

[b]Unofficial scanlation:

"galaxieS"

Official translation:

"planetS"

Feel me?

Reading/translating Japanese is an art that takes years of practice to perfect. It's not a casual hobby that anyone(who expects accuracy) can dabble in. Many people don't grasp that concept--ergo mistranslated dialogue. [/B]

Originally posted by bbrem123
But this right here makes me think the sub's you watched were wrong. The clash between there energy attack's must have been universal. No possible way it wasn't.

It just isn't consistent with the sequence of events. And it is the only translation of many that says worlds.

I get that is a difficult thing to do but that doesn't make one or accurate than another.

Look, I understand that you really want Goku/Beerus to still be operating at universal levels in ep.13, but they simply weren't. That's why we didn't see shockwaves and whatnot reverberating across creation. That's why the Kaioshins' dialogue here makes sense:

Originally posted by Galan007
*Kaioshin: "Even though they're clashing together such powerful attacks, they're not generating any universe-destroying vibrations!? Why?"
*Elder Kaioshin: "Can't you tell? Probably because it's just a fight."

They specifically noted that the fight was no longer causing universal devastation, which correlates with us not seeing said devastation occurring(like we did in the last episode)... So I'm not sure why you're so dead-set on the universal thing..? There's literally NO evidence of this. 😕

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Wouldn't you have to speak fluent japanese to sub anime though? A manga is one thing but you can't just speak and spell a cartoon or can you?

It's a fickle b*tch.

Originally posted by Galan007
Herms and Team Dragon translated the dialogue. If they didn't mention the word "universe", then the word "universe" wasn't used. It really is that simple. They are the best and most accurate translators on the web. No joke.

Look, I understand that you really want Goku/Beerus to still be operating at universal levels in ep.13, but they simply weren't. That's why we didn't see shockwaves and whatnot reverberating across creation. That's why the Kaioshins' dialogue here makes sense:

They specifically noted that the fight was no longer causing universal devastation, which correlates with us not seeing said devastation occurring(like we did in the last episode)... So I'm not sure why you're so dead-set on the universal thing..? There's literally NO evidence of this. 😕

Originally posted by Galan007
*Satan: "Oh... It's just like the end of the world, isn't it?"
*Whis: "Correct [...] For Super Saiyan God to possess this much power was unexpected. At minimum the Earth or several neighboring planets will be destroyed."
*Satan: "The world will end...? Please! Use your magic to protect everyone, like you did earlier!"
*Whis: "Don't be ridiculous. There's no way I could stop power capable of destroying the world, is there?"

I was talking about the dialog here. During this time the energy blast struggle was happening. And it was obviously universal.

Scratch everything I just posted.

I just re-watch the scene and it seems that when the energy became compressed it was no longer a threat the universe. At this point the destruction of the energy was more localized even though it was just as powerful. The shockwaves were no longer reaching the the planet of the kai's.

I am completely fine that they were not a universal threat at 100%. It was very clear why the were not. They could still easily revert back to the way there were fighting if they wanted and destroy the universe.

Even though there's at least an explanation from Old Kai as why the ripple stopped ("It's just a fight", which is weird, by the way). It doesn't change the fact Beerus has to use 100% of his power to stop an explosion which would destroy 'at least Earth or several neighboring planets'. Can these two (Goku and Beerus) still be considered universal level? To be frank I find it hard to believe the energy sphere contain a compressed universe-destroying blast. Anybody care to explain? Thanks.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Can these two (Goku and Beerus) still be considered universal level?

Yes.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Scratch everything I just posted.

I just re-watch the scene and it seems that when the energy became compressed it was no longer a threat the universe. At this point the destruction of the energy was more localized even though it was just as powerful. The shockwaves were no longer reaching the the planet of the kai's.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Even though there's at least an explanation from Old Kai as why the ripple stopped ("It's just a fight", which is weird, by the way). It doesn't change the fact Beerus has to use 100% of his power to stop an explosion which would destroy 'at least Earth or several neighboring planets'. Can these two (Goku and Beerus) still be considered universal level? To be frank I find it hard to believe the energy sphere contain a compressed universe-destroying blast. Anybody care to explain? Thanks.

As for why Beerus had to use his full power to negate the beam: evidently it requires a lot more power/effort to entirely negate all energy on the field, then it does to simply generate said energy.

They can definitely cause universal devastation(at less than full power)... They already proved that much.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
Even though there's at least an explanation from Old Kai as why the ripple stopped ("It's just a fight", which is weird, by the way). It doesn't change the fact Beerus has to use 100% of his power to stop an explosion which would destroy 'at least Earth or several neighboring planets'. Can these two (Goku and Beerus) still be considered universal level? To be frank I find it hard to believe the energy sphere contain a compressed universe-destroying blast. Anybody care to explain? Thanks.

It's really not that hard to understand guys. In DB there are several alien races that live on planets lightyears away from Earth. We don't see collateral damage because it would naturally mean the loss of billions of lives and Goku is supposed to be the hero. Toriyama basically confirmed universe busting the best way he could without Goku having to accidentally kill people. Would be really awkward to ask Shenron to "bring back everyone I accidentally killed today" if ya catch my drift.

Haha yup. Pretty much

Just to reiterate something I said earlier, as crazy as the universal wave sounds, it's not imposible. It's powered by "dark energy" in real life scenarios. I'm sure Toriyama didn't have it in mind when he thought it up, but such a thing really can happen.

Originally posted by Galan007
Herms and Team Dragon translated the dialogue. If they didn't mention the word "universe", then the word "universe" wasn't used. It really is that simple. They are the best and most accurate translators on the web. No joke.

Look, I understand that you really want Goku/Beerus to still be operating at universal levels in ep.13, but they simply weren't. That's why we didn't see shockwaves and whatnot reverberating across creation. That's why the Kaioshins' dialogue here makes sense:

They specifically noted that the fight was no longer causing universal devastation, which correlates with us not seeing said devastation occurring(like we did in the last episode)... So I'm not sure why you're so dead-set on the universal thing..? There's literally NO evidence of this. 😕

I'm sure some of them can read it to a degree, but as I've come to learn: the Japanese language can be very tricky to decipher at times, because the same word/symbol can mean different things depending on the context of the sentence and whatnot. So you really need to have an in-depth understanding of the language if you're going to crank out accurate translations.

It's a fickle b*tch.

If you know a thing or two about subbing, I've gotta ask:

TV Nihon or Overtime? 🙂

I think they're mostly a Power Rangers thing, but I believe they've done some anime (Including DB?)

Originally posted by Galan007
Herms and Team Dragon translated the dialogue. If they didn't mention the word "universe", then the word "universe" wasn't used. It really is that simple. They are the best and most accurate translators on the web. No joke.

dunno if this really makes a difference but herms did use the word universe

from his twitter:Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 Oct 3
The truth is, Beerus prevented the universe's destruction by "nullifying" all the energy present, which required using 100% of his power.

and from the kazenshuu post: Minute: 9
Context: after Whis has to explain about the world ending again, in simpler terms
Satan: “The world will end…? Please! Use your magic to protect everyone, like you did earlier!”
Whis: “Don’t be ridiculous. There’s no way I could stop power capable of destroying the world, is there?”
Significance: Somewhat weird if Whis is supposed to be stronger than Beerus and Goku, but at the same time being stronger than someone and being able to stop their power from destroying the world could be two separate things. Whis also might not be speaking entirely honestly here.

Minute: 16
Context: after the universe once again rather conspicuously fails to end
Beerus: “I nullified all the energy that existed here.”
Goku: “You can…do that?”
Beerus: “Only if I put forth 100% of my power.”
Goku: “100%? Ah! So you still hadn’t gone all-out!? I can’t believe it! You were still hidin’ some power?”
Beerus: “Well, it’d look bad, wouldn’t it? I’m a god. To use my full power against a Saiyan…I’d rather die than make a fool of myself like that…Or so I had thought, anyway. But I don’t want to lose this fight, no matter what! I don’t care how bad or how stupid I look! I’ll beat the tar out of you and prove that I’m overwhelmingly stronger!”

from the looks of its he's using "universe" and "world" interchangeably.

I myself often use the terms world and universe interchangeably. Is that not a common use of the words? World can mean 'universe'.

World
(wûrld)►

n.
The earth.
n.
The universe.
n.
The earth with its inhabitants.

wow I never knew world could also mean universe. Kinda crazy.

Originally posted by U need Leonard
I myself often use the terms world and universe interchangeably. Is that not a common use of the words? World can mean 'universe'.

World
(wûrld)►

n.
The earth.
n.
The universe.
n.
The earth with its inhabitants.

The Kaioshin flat-out stated the battle was no longer causing universal devastation. This was further solidified when we no longer saw shockwaves reverberating across the universe... What isn't computing?

You are right that it was not causing universal destruction, but that energy was the same energy that was causing universal destruction the episode before. Just because the energy was more concentrated to an area does not mean it was weaker than before.

But yea after that energy struggle there was no longer a threat to the universe.

Wait is that really a quote from Herms? If so then that energy ball was indeed universal.

from his twitter:Todd Blankenship ‏@Herms98 Oct 3
The truth is, Beerus prevented the universe's destruction by "nullifying" all the energy present, which required using 100% of his power.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Just because the energy was more concentrated to an area does not mean it was weaker than before.

Similar with Molecule Man's blasts and so on.