Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by NewGuy01
To be fair to Beerus, in the manga the Hakaishin seem to be much younger than in the anime (although the anime's ages do seem more suited to their occupation...) with Belmod looking to retire at less than a quarter of a million years old. In addition, Beerus is a lazy **** who has been sleeping for the vast majority of his lifespan, so its understandable that he hasn't reached the pinnacle.

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Not that ANY of this makes it so much as a modicum less retarded that Goku managed to completely master the ultimate skill of the gods in thirty ****ing minutes. It would have been way better if they had him scratching the surface in this fight, and then teased at him having mastered it by EoZ.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
How much did Beerus actually train with Whis during those years though, compared to his years of just sleeping? We don't know. If Beerus has any pride, seeing a mortal from his universe surpass him would get him to take training more seriously again than he did before. Since he became like the strongest Hakaishin (or one of the strongest) even without mastered UI, he has to be competitive to some level, I would think.

So unless Beerus is really, really close to mastering UI himself, catching up to Goku at this point seems wholly unattainable for him... And I hate that.

Originally posted by Blindside12
I never got tired of SSB, why would I get tired of something even cooler. Tori will just come up with stronger opponents. Most likely all the universes are coming back and there was universe that was to powerful to compete. So there is more powerful people out there.

Stronger people that could Hit Goku during UI? That would then not make it MUI if he is getting beat or hit on. It would just be another transformation.

We do know he's thousands to millions year old, somewhere in there lies the actual age, but we know Whis has trained with him a shit ton regardless of how much he slept.

Goku is a savant and a one of a kind Saijen, its not just his will to be stronger but its also his un relenting pursuit to be stronger, combined with his saijen potential that has has surpassed everyone hes ever fought, combine that with him just being Goku (the plot device) and this is where we are.

He is basically god without actually being God.

Originally posted by carver9
Stronger people that could Hit Goku during UI? That would then not make it MUI if he is getting beat or hit on. It would just be another transformation.

So if Whis could hit MUI Goku that wouldnt make it MUI? Listen to what you are are saying.

Originally posted by Galan007
Goku's lower forms being hyper-amped by teh Godpowa has been an off and on concept throughout the entirety of DBS.

I don't necessarily disagree. I just find it hysterically stupid if they make MUI a full-blown transformation.

Meh, it's already a 2 stage transformation.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thing is, even IF we assume that Beerus is 'only' 200 million years old, and even IF we assume he has slept for 99% of his entire life, that still means he's had 2 MILLION years of training in total.

So unless Beerus is really, really close to mastering UI himself, catching up to Goku at this point seems wholly unattainable for him... And I hate that.

So where do you want Gokus power level to range then? Since blue lost its luster for you, which transformation did you still like? And where do you want his power range to be or stay at?

We all need to face it that Goku has dwarfed Beerus, in power, but that doesnt mean Beerus is irrelevant. Whis and Beerus are my two favorites as well.

Originally posted by Blindside12
We do know he's thousands to millions year old, somewhere in there lies the actual age

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Once he got ss forms again I think it went out the window. Downgraded him down to homo Gohan levels.

Yea you are right I was just encompassing both the magna and anime.

It's because Goku naturally holds back. He also matched Beerus in base and fought and was stomping 3 beings that was all, individually as powerful or more powerful than fat Buu. Base Goku have insane fts, when he wants them. Majority of the time, he is containing his power, even in base.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thing is, even IF we assume that Beerus is 'only' 200 million years old, and even IF we assume he has slept for 99% of his entire life, that still means he's had 2 MILLION years of training in total.

I said quarter of a million, not billion, fam. Belmod has been God of Destruction for under 250,000 years according to the manga, and nothing really suggests that he's Beerus's junior, let alone by a literally exponential degree.

So, with your 99% number in mind, that would be more like two thousand years that he'd be training, assuming he's diligent and trains consistently while awake instead of just stuffing his face and destroying things.

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Oh, and don't forget that Whis supposedly only finished his own training a meager thousand years before the events of Super.

Beerus told us how old HE is in the anime, so that's how old HE is until we have a legit reason to believe otherwise. And no, there is no reason to assume he and Belmond must be around the same age just because they are both Hakaishin.

For all we know, Belmond simply started the job millions of years AFTER Beerus. Lets not pretend like it's impossible for Hakaishin to step down and/or be replaced.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I said quarter of a million, not billion, fam. Belmod has been God of Destruction for under 250,000 years according to the manga, and nothing really suggests that he's Beerus's junior, let alone by a literally exponential degree.

So, with your 99% number in mind, that would be more like two thousand years that he'd be training, assuming he's diligent and trains consistently while awake instead of just stuffing his face and destroying things.

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Oh, and don't forget that [b]Whis supposedly only finished his own training a meager thousand years before the events of Super.

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If you slept 99% of 300 million years and you trained for 1%. That means you would have trained 3 million years Not two thousand.

And then say out of that 1% he only trained 30% of that 3 million years awake. That means he trained 900,000 years.

So Beerus is hundreds of millions of years old, Goku is 40.

Goku who is around 40 years old, surpassed him with 35 years of training. Accouting for the time he spend in the time chamber, out of those 35-40 years, Goku prolly trained 30% of the time.

Galan is absolutely correct, there is simply no chance Beerus can possible hope to catch up to Goku now with this power curve.

Gotta love how information from the anime and manga seem to apply to each other only when it's convenient around here.

Galan was only speaking about what was said in the anime and applying it to the anime.

Originally posted by Blindside12
If you slept 99% of 300 million years and you trained for 1%. That means you would have trained 3 million years Not two thousand.

And then say out of that 1% he only trained 30% of that 3 million years awake. That means he trained 900,000 years.

So Beerus is hundreds of millions of years old, Goku is 40.

Goku who is around 40 years old, surpassed him with 35 years of training. Accouting for the time he spend in the time chamber, out of those 35-40 years, Goku prolly trained 30% of the time.

Galan is absolutely correct, there is simply no chance Beerus can possible hope to catch up to Goku now with this power curve.

The question is, does Beerus's race naturally have a long life? Or is that a benefit of achieving god of destruction?

Because if his race only lives 30 years like a cat, or 100 years like a human, or even 1000 years like Yoda, that means he would heave done most of his life's training within that window before his candidacy.

For all we know, he hasn't trained since. If he does train, we never see it. And Champa sure doesn't look like he ever trains, judging by how out of shape he is.

Being fat in DBZ or DBS has never meant you were not strong or fast.

Originally posted by Blindside12
Being fat in DBZ or DBS has never meant you were not strong or fast.

It does for Monaka. ;p

But I never said being fat made you weak. I said it implies you never train.

Vados implied Champas physical condition relative to Beerus means he is out of shape.

Champa might be out shape, which means Beerus isnt and has been training a lot. So you kinda inadvertently ruined the argument he doesnt train that much, thanks👆

It could also make Champa an even bigger glutton then Beerus.

Or it could be, he never works. Lot of reasons Beerus is thinner besides training.

Fact is, there's simply no proof he trains anymore. Whis spends all her time with Goku and Vegeta training them, and never made mention of it. And he's lazy, so no reason to believe he'd be motivated to try, with Goku being his first real rival in millions of years.

Hes obviously a bigger glutton then Beerus based on that wager they made for that food Champa was lusting for. And not to mention Vados had him on a diet. Beerus is more like Goku, eats a lot but trains a lot.