Originally posted by Inedian
I am pretty sure Broly is ridicuosly far from having greatest battle power in DBverse. Even if someone believes he could be above angels (he is far from that though also in battle power), there is Grand Priest. I mean Grand Priest who stopped Quitella and Beerus with one finger. I have no doubt Whis could do the same. Grand Priest battle power is above thousands and thousands Brolyes. And i also don't believe Toyotaro said something like that... because it would make him extremely stupid... and of course there is no clues of that interview.
It could make sense if we're talking something like Trunks powering up against Perfect Cell, maybe. Higher power levels only get you so far, if you don't have the right forms or techniques.
Originally posted by cdtmBroly would be vastly more powerful after the Gogeta beating then he was beforehand. His zenkais made those of Goku and Vegeta look like absolutely nothing in comparison.
Do you think that beating Broly took at Gogeta's hands pushed him past him, after he healed? If they fought again, would Gogeta be totally screwed, unless he unlocks MUI or something?
Would he surpass SSB Gogeta? I think it is entirely possible based on the increases we saw Broly attain during the fight itself.
Originally posted by InedianAngels and Zen-Oh usually are not considered when discussing battle powers and whatnot, as they are far beyond the conventional scaling of 'lower level' beings. At this point raw power comparisons typically stop at GoD-level.
I am pretty sure Broly is ridicuosly far from having greatest battle power in DBverse. Even if someone believes he could be above angels (he is far from that though also in battle power), there is Grand Priest. I mean Grand Priest who stopped Quitella and Beerus with one finger. I have no doubt Whis could do the same. Grand Priest battle power is above thousands and thousands Brolyes. And i also don't believe Toyotaro said something like that... because it would make him extremely stupid... and of course there is no clues of that interview.
With that in mind, I absolutely believe that FPSSJ Broly has the greatest individual battle power in the franchise so far.
Agreed. If we needed to take Zeno into account, all discussions of power levels become meaningless, because no one is EVER touching that. If they're smart, that is, because a shakeup would essentially ruin the franchise (Look at what happened to Kenshiro when he defeated his last great threat. The fun was gone.)
He's the Presence, and the angels are Monitors/watchers. Or, Zeus and the Olympus gods, and the various heroes they task with doing actual things. Powerful beings who are never really more then observers to the lower levels, or act to gather/train heroes.
Originally posted by Galan007
Broly would be vastly more powerful after the Gogeta beating then he was beforehand. His zenkais made those of Goku and Vegeta look like absolutely nothing in comparison.Would he surpass SSB Gogeta? I think it is entirely possible based on the increases we saw Broly attain during the fight itself.
Angels and Zen-Oh usually are not considered when discussing battle powers and whatnot, as they are far beyond the conventional scaling of 'lower level' beings. At this point raw power comparisons typically stop at GoD-level.
With that in mind, I absolutely believe that FPSSJ Broly has the greatest individual battle power in the franchise so far.
That would be the case if it wouldnt be said "of any character in DBverse" and further mentioning angels.
I think Broly destroys all mortals we have seen and Beerus devastates Broly.
Originally posted by InedianI haven't actually read the interview New Guy was referring to, but it sounds like Broly's power was one topic of discussion, and the Angels' abilities were another topic of discussion. I don't know that Toyotaro was drawing a direct like of comparison between their powers.
That would be the case if it wouldnt be said "of any character in DBverse" and further mentioning angels.I think Broly destroys all mortals we have seen and Beerus devastates Broly.
A link to the actual interview would be helpful if anyone has that handy...
Originally posted by Galan007
I haven't actually read the interview New Guy was referring to, but it sounds like Broly's power was one topic of discussion, and the Angels' abilities were another topic of discussion. I don't know that Toyotaro was drawing a direct like of comparison between their powers.A link to the actual interview would be helpful if anyone has that handy...
Ok, maybe you are right. I would just like when some interview they make direct statement, not that we need some guessing and unnecessary philosophies.
In the quote that was posted on 4chan, the context seemed to be that Toyotaro was answering a question about Broly, and then at the end used it as an opportunity to advertise the manga. To paraphrase, after answering that he believes Broly to have the highest power level, he went on to say that the strength of the angels (and even Zen-oh, iirc) were the result of special techniques rather than just power. Then he used that to transition into saying, "if you want to see another character who has achieved strength through special techniques, check out Moro in the manga," or something to that effect.
I didn't think to save the quote at the time, since I'm not all that interested in DB to begin with, so I don't have the specific text to pull up a source with. If you want to look for it, though, I recommend maybe looking for interviews about Broly specifically? The angels and Moro seemed to be something Toyotaro shoehorned in, rather than the topic of discussion. Then again, it could have just been one question about Broly in a larger interview, too. Or it could've just been a fabrication. I don't know. Might be worth popping into a DB thread on 4chan and asking about it; I haven't seen the quote reposted, but there was still some chatter about it the other day.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
In the quote that was posted on 4chan, the context seemed to be that Toyotaro was answering a question about Broly, and then at the end used it as an opportunity to advertise the manga. To paraphrase, after answering that he believes Broly to have the highest power level, he went on to say that the strength of the angels (and even Zen-oh, iirc) were the result of special techniques rather than just power. Then he used that to transition into saying, "if you want to see another character who has achieved strength through special techniques, check out Moro in the manga," or something to that effect.I didn't think to save the quote at the time, since I'm not all that interested in DB to begin with, so I don't have the specific text to pull up a source with. If you want to look for it, though, I recommend maybe looking for interviews about Broly specifically? The angels and Moro seemed to be something Toyotaro shoehorned in, rather than the topic of discussion. Then again, it could have just been one question about Broly in a larger interview, too. Or it could've just been a fabrication. I don't know. Might be worth popping into a DB thread on 4chan and asking about it; I haven't seen the quote reposted, but there was still some chatter about it the other day.
So like Kenshiro bulking up with something called a Dragon's Breath technique, vs someone naturally powerful like Toguro. Internal, natural power compared to special techniques used to amp.
Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed. If we needed to take Zeno into account, all discussions of power levels become meaningless, because no one is EVER touching that. If they're smart, that is, because a shakeup would essentially ruin the franchise (Look at what happened to Kenshiro when he defeated his last great threat. The fun was gone.)He's the Presence, and the angels are Monitors/watchers. Or, Zeus and the Olympus gods, and the various heroes they task with doing actual things. Powerful beings who are never really more then observers to the lower levels, or act to gather/train heroes.
I liked the last few arcs of Fist of the North Star awesr
Bruh, these Goku lines from it fit perfectly well with this particular DBS scene.
https://twitter.com/sonzumaki/status/1167329422770233344?s=21
Originally posted by NemeBroI came to this forum just to post this, lmao.
YouTube video
Is it a safe bet that Golden Freeza is still a bit above Vegeta, even after all his ToP upgrades?
Otherwise he'd simply kill him again, instead of training obsessively?
I just saw the Broly dub, and I'm not sure surviving against SSJ Broly is PIS. Freeza was an indeterminate amount above Goku and Vegeta from the start, and their Blue gains have been incremental increases, relatively speaking, so it's "possible" they've merely been chipping away at that edge ever since, without overcoming it yet.
Vegeta's rant suggests otherwise. Maybe the blue evolution brought them back to par, or close to it.
I also think calls of the fusion being 30 minutes long now, instead of the shortened potera version, isn't shown by this film, because of the fact that Gogeta only went blue during the last moments of the Broly fight. Maybe if they started out blue, and the fight dragged longer, they would have topped out at about the same length of time before defusing.