Originally posted by Bardock42
That's what I'm saying. The media reports it because there is an immense amount of outrage, and there is an immense amount of outrage because these are not normal cases of murder, but killings that fit into a pattern of racism that is structurally supported.Murders of white people by black people, are tragedies, but they are dealt with by authorites and virtually no one condones them, unlike the racist, conservative media machine that springs into action to attack and condemn the victims of racist police or otherwise racist shootings.
To disgregard that, and deflect from that, is ****ing racist. That you guys for some reason are trying to make this out to be just a harmless things anyone could say with no racial bias, parcitular in the face that it was contained within a racist manifesto by someone who massacred peaceful black people at a place of worship is absurd and just shows how this kind of racism is excused and accepted.
Yes, I'm calling you and dadudemon and vansonbee racists. Because you are racists. Be better!
The outrage comes because we've been taught(in a large part by the very same media) to be outraged. It's a circle. Zimmerman's case, specifically, is not even near as cut and dry as some would have us believe. It does raise a bit of a red flag when someone so unquestioningly supports him, but it's not enough for me to label the person as racist.
First you have to prove that those shootings are racist to begin with. The conservative media, while usually shitty, is not necessarily wrong to doubt the initial kneejerk reaction of virtually everybody that an event just has got to be racist. Be that as it may, call them racist and not me or DDM.
Once again, 2+2=4 is not wrong even when stated by a murderous racist. I know it can be a hard pill to swallow, but you must accept it.
And I am calling you a mankurt. Because you are a mankurt. Be better, be smarter!
Originally posted by dadudemon
. And I think white supremacists who use homicide statistics to justify their racism against black people are pieces of shit. I don't think we disagree on our fundamental positions.
This is the problem. And bardock may not clearly state it but it is used as the justification. People point at the state as a excuse to justify violence against non criminal black people or use it every chance they can to show why blacks are something evil or shouldn't be trusted. So much so that the mere discussion of it is often tainted. I am willing to have the discussion but almost every time it turns into "why black people are scum bags" instead of trying to actually look at and deal with the problem.
I don't think you yourself are racist (though vasonbee surely is) but I feel you often accidentally veer into that territory of not seeing how it is often a dismissal of any actual discussion or issue involving racism.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
that is if you assume that opinions expressed on the white nationalist/separationist site are actually facts. if so, you're probably a racist.but keep saying "2+2=4" to seal your win.
The Council of Conservative Citizens may be driveling racists, but those are not mere opinions. They are backed by the US DoJ statistics.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
when statistics are cherry picked in order to force a narrative, draw illogical conclusions and/or oversimplify the situation, it's not "backed" by those statistics. it's exploiting them to assert an overall lie.so: NOPE
I'm not saying that they aren't trying to use said statistics to force a narrative or incite prejudice, but, once again, this does not invalidate facts.
Originally posted by dadudemon
As I argued with another, your opinion is actually the racist one. It is subtle. It is a modern trend. And it is racist. By pretending there is not an issue and also coddling the African American community (because you feel they need tons of your TLC), you're actually being racist.
Oh, not 'reverse racism' argument. The black community gets the short end of the stick in hiring (white convicts and black non-convicts get hired at similar rates), treatment by the police (as recent incidents, and statistics, both overwhelming show), being stereotyped as thugs, legal punishments of crimes of equal level (whites smoke marijuana more, blacks get put in jail for it *far* more).
Noting this stuff and trying to counteract it is not 'coddling,' and pointing out racism is not itself racism. Things need to be done in order for black people to not be treated with a double standard.
You're complaining about people pointing out real, existent problems again. Generally an unimpressive stance to take.
I'm 50-50 with you, here. Either that or I am misinterpreting and I actually agree 100%. I think the whole news coverage of the Zimmerman case was racist. Them making it into a big deal when it should not have which, imo, is racist in and of itself. Making things a huge national race issue when it shouldn't be is subtle racism. I don't know how to describe that but it seems the people involved that made that media-hype machine are passively racist.
Zimmerman went after him in a situation where he described Trayvon Martin in a way that a white person doing the exact same thing would've been ignored. Black kids get described as suspicious and thugs and etc. for walking around and not doing anything.
Or in the recent pool incident, every white kid present was ignored, every non-white kid was told to get on the ground, and the one officer went totally over the line, manhandling a black girl completely unnecessarily.
And the statistics bear this difference in reaction out. Of the first dozen people killed by the NYPD this year, half were white, half were black. 100% of the white suspects were armed, 30% of the black suspects were armored.
What you call 'subtle racism' is... pointing out actual racism.
And the reason people bring it up so much is because if it's not brought up, it doesn't go away.
Ignoring racism helps nothing, and complaining about people pointing out racism when it happens strikes me as one of the more petty, pointless things to get a bug up your butt about.
Over the weekend, an online document emerged written by someone using the name Dylann Roof–posting to a website registered using Roof’s mother’s home address–with a lengthy, racist message. Of particular interest, the writer pointed to the Council of Conservative Citizens as a source of racist information.
That wouldn’t be particularly relevant to electoral politics, were it not for the fact that the Council of Conservative Citizens’ president, Earl Holt III, turns out to be a generous Republican donor.
The leader of a white supremacist group that has been linked to Dylann Roof, the suspect in the murder of nine African-Americans in a Charleston, S.C., church last week, has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Republican campaigns, including those of 2016 presidential contenders such as Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum and Rand Paul, records show.
Earl Holt has given $65,000 to Republican campaign funds in recent years while making inflammatory remarks, including that black people are "the laziest, stupidest, and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world."
Among the other GOP officials who’ve received contributions from Holt are Rep. Steve King (R-IA), Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), and former Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO).
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Over the weekend, an online document emerged written by someone using the name Dylann Roof–posting to a website registered using Roof’s mother’s home address–with a lengthy, racist message. Of particular interest, the writer pointed to the Council of Conservative Citizens as a source of racist information.That wouldn’t be particularly relevant to electoral politics, were it not for the fact that the Council of Conservative Citizens’ president, Earl Holt III, turns out to be a generous Republican donor.
The leader of a white supremacist group that has been linked to Dylann Roof, the suspect in the murder of nine African-Americans in a Charleston, S.C., church last week, has donated tens of thousands of dollars to Republican campaigns, including those of 2016 presidential contenders such as Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum and Rand Paul, records show.
Earl Holt has given $65,000 to Republican campaign funds in recent years while making inflammatory remarks, including that black people are "the laziest, stupidest, and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world."
Among the other GOP officials who’ve received contributions from Holt are Rep. Steve King (R-IA), Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR), Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), and former Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO).
The Republican candidates have got to learn to shut this type of thing down/distance themselves from it, and avoid doing the type of weasel-word 'never say racist' stuff they did to avoid acknowledging the cause of the Charleston attack, or it's effectively saying to the black voters, and white voters who care about the black voters being treated fairly, and other minority voters, 'no, we don't want your vote. Go vote for someone else.'
Obama says we are not cured of racism or the "n" word while dropping the word ******..
Real mature.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialTI...come on, buddy. 😬
Obama says we are not cured of racism or the "n" word while dropping the word ******..Real mature.
Originally posted by Mindset
TI...come on, buddy. 😬
Hey I'm just saying, if we want to stop this shit, stop saying it. Rappers say it cause its cool, ball players and Presidents alike..I really think the president should be above saying that. No matter what. I mean what the hell was his point saying that? He's doing a disservice to himself and everyone else.
Unacceptable from the President.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hey I'm just saying, if we want to stop this shit, stop saying it. Rappers say it cause its cool, ball players and Presidents alike..I really think the president should be above saying that. No matter what. I mean what the hell was his point saying that? He's doing a disservice to himself and everyone else.Unacceptable from the President.
He said it while addressing a specific point on racism, he didn't drop it in some song to sell a record or throw it out while hanging with his buddies. If you can't see the difference, then it is you who has the issues.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Man the smoke screen is strong here.I bet you $1000 bucks if Adam Poe's bum boys Lindsey "Gram" or Rand Paul had said that, y'all would be jumping their shit.
You clearly can't see past the favoritism/bias, but I still love you.
He's using it to make a point, a point clearly lost to you.