Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Stricter gun control and background checks can be legislated, but it will not completely solve the problem. It's really not hard to get a firearm off the street or by theft. You can even manufacture your own rudimentary firearms if you are really committed to having one illegally.
A lot of what's needed isn't even just the laws, but the enforcement.
The ATF believes that 90% of illegal guns come from under 5% of gun stores, but are not allowed to check inventories more than once per year, but have so few resources they often check less than once per decade.
Simply upping the resources to shut down illegal guns, and removing ATF restrictions, without altering the laws very much aside, would take a massive slash to the amount of illegal guns out there, but even simple stuff like this is opposed.
There's a lot we *could* do about illegal guns that simply isn't being done by choice. None of this is an inevitability, plenty of other 1st world countries have almost zilch gun crime (like, pretty much all of them), it's because we set up our system this way.
Originally posted by Robtard
Anyone that actually things it's a "false flag", who exactly are we being lead to believe was carrying out this massacre? Because from the majority of news stories, it's the actions of a single mentally unstable racist.Unless my understanding of "false flag operation" is wrong and it isn't one entity doing some action and making it appear it's the actions of another entity.
People who believe this stuff have no ability to think logically. They claim it's so the government or the 1% can 'take away our guns' forgetting that the gun lobby is perhaps second only to the financial and petrochemical lobbies in holding power over Washington. They also forget just how much money people spend on guns.
Stricter gun control is imo a good thing to implement. But it's not even the most important. Legalisation of drugs would have a much better effect on violence. Fighting poverty and funelling more money into education. Perhaps even better access to health care, particular mental health care. All of those would improve the social climate excessively, and make society a safer, better place.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Stricter gun control is imo a good thing to implement. But it's not even the most important. Legalisation of drugs would have a much better effect on violence. Fighting poverty and funelling more money into education. Perhaps even better access to health care, particular mental health care. All of those would improve the social climate excessively, and make society a safer, better place.
They just need to do a better job of tracking and clamping down on those who sell guns illegally
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If . . . your issue is the politicization of this tragedy, then where are your condemnations of . . . Sen. Lindsey Graham?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who are those people to me?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Lindsey Graham is the sitting Senator in the state in which this happened.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
. . . do you not think his opinion on why the tragedy happened matters or is germain to the discussion?
lindsey graham and every other apologist when they're acting cute
this was over the popular proposal to put the confederate flag on state license plates a couple of days ago.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/19/politics/lindsey-graham-dylann-roof-confederate-flag-gun/
for more evidence, see below...
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
remember, its just a flag and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM
Yep. That's exactly right. It doesn't. It's a symbol of southern heritage, you dumb typical yankee. Just because the KKK and other hate groups display it along with that P-O-S Nazi flag doesn't mean all southerners feel that way, moron. Pull your head out of your ***.
Originally posted by Star428
Yep. That's exactly right. It doesn't. It's a symbol of southern heritage, you dumb typical yankee. Just because the KKK and other hate groups display it along with that P-O-S Nazi flag doesn't mean all southerners feel that way, moron. Pull your head out of your ***.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And southern heritage is steeped in racism. The entire concept of Southern whiteness emerged from black subjugation. But of course you'll never read this post because you're afraid of legitimate discussion and just want to blast your opinions and not be contradicted.
I've always wondered about that myself. I mean if an object has a negative history attached to it, or a dark past why be seen with it unless that person or people wanted to bring that type of sentiment back up in these present days? I mean, it's not as if we as a nation are going backwards to the times when minorities were second, or third class citizens. It's just not going to happen.
We all know Perry's 'accident,' thing, but the rest of the Republican candidate reaction:
Lindsey Graham went for the 'he was always strange' route.
This is why people view the Republican party is racist. Even in a fatal attack with openly stated motives, they'll substitute something in place of race as a cause.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
And southern heritage is steeped in racism. The entire concept of Southern whiteness emerged from black subjugation. But of course you'll never read this post because you're afraid of legitimate discussion and just want to blast your opinions and not be contradicted.
Also, this is specifically not just a Southern flag, but a flag use entirely during the prosecution of a war to protect slavery, by people who specifically viewed keeping slaves as a right and the natural order of things, in their own words.
Originally posted by Star428
Yep. That's exactly right. It doesn't. It's a symbol of southern heritage, you dumb typical yankee. Just because the KKK and other hate groups display it along with that P-O-S Nazi flag doesn't mean all southerners feel that way, moron. Pull your head out of your ***.
The big problem is that the Confederacy displayed it. And it had a big resurgence during the 60s in opposition to the civil rights movement specifically (that's when it got put up on the South Carolina capital).
The fact that some southerners decide to ignore that history is their problem, but that doesn't change that it was originally created to stand for racism and slavery.
The South has a lot to be proud of. They have inventors that made air conditioning, which probably all of you are using now and has saved tons of lives (it was first made for hospitals). Positive organizations like the Girl Scouts were founded in the South. And we could go on all day about the music and food! (even aside from obvious cuisine, Coke was a southern invention) The inventor of dynamic-RAM, important for the computer revolution, was a southerner.
The civil war and related artifacts are not one of those things, and I view one of the big problems with the south is too many try and make the worst part of their history into what represents them, and which disrespects a huge part of the Southern population, while not focusing on all the things that really are great about the South and which anyone can agree they really should be proud of.
Southerners fought in good wars like World War 2, why focus on their lowest hour?