Originally posted by Crimson DragoonI think they'd be nearly identical, power-wise. Whis noted that SSJGSSJ Goku+SSJGSSJ Vegeta would be able to match 100% Beerus if they worked together. This means they must be really close to Beerus' level individually, otherwise they get shit-stomped in rapid succession(that's how it works in DBZ--if you're significantly weaker than your opponent, numbers are inconsequential.)
I'd still give Beerus the edge in power and he struck me as more skilled than Freeza in martial arts
That said, Golden Freeza looked demonstrably superior to SSJGSSJ Goku until the rapid ki consumption of his freshly-acquired form started weakening him. Had it not been for that, Freeza would have beaten Goku, imo... What's funny is that Freeza is such a natural prodigy that he likely could have mastered his Golden form with just a few more weeks of training, and removed the ki consumption/stamina drawback all together... But instead, he let his arrogance get the better of him. Again.
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Originally posted by PlacidityBefore he trained, yes.
Wasn't Frieza afraid of Beerus?
Originally posted by PlaciditySorry, it slipped my mind that Golden Freeza did seem afraid of Beerus when they saw one another on earth. However, that was just a psychological handicap on Freeza's part, as he had always been told that he must fear Beerus(and Majin Buu):
Wasn't Frieza afraid of Beerus?
And since Godly ki cannot be sensed/read, Freeza obviously had no way to definitively compare himself to Beerus--thus, his 'fear' certainly isn't indicative of the difference between them... Luckily for us, however, we do have a definitive means to gauge Golden Freeza's power: his battle with SSJGSSJ Goku. Based on that, we know Golden Freeza is very close to Beerus' level. 🙂
Originally posted by Blockythe1guyYeah, it would take Goku+Vegeta to beat Golden Freeza, and Goku+Vegeta to match/beat Beerus.
Whis also said both teaming up and they can easily beat Golden Freeza.So Beerus at 100% can take Freeza IMO.
So iyo, what percentage of his power would Beerus have to use in order to defeat Freeza?
Originally posted by yungz22See above.
freeza was afraid of beerus even after he transformed
*Note
Instead of abbreviating Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan with "SSJGSSJ", I'm going to start using the abbreviation: "BSSJG"(Blue Super Saiyan God.) It's not as much of a tongue twister, and just as clear. 😛
Originally posted by Utrigita100% is the only thing that makes sense. It required 70% of Beerus' power just to deal with SSJG Goku individually during BoG. Now, he and Vegeta have each surpassed SSJG, so obviously 70% Beerus would not be sufficient to deal with both of them.
I don't recall but was it actually stated by Whis that it would be a 100% Beerus that Goku and Vegeta could take on? Or just that they could fight him evenly?
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoAccording to BoG, Freeza and Beerus had personally met years prior:
There was a party in the manga where you see a flashback of a planet ravaged by Buu and the dead aliens lying around look like 1st or 2nd form frieza's like King Cold.
So that explains how Freeza/Cold knew about Beerus.
As for Buu: he has been rampaging across the universe since time immemorial. It only makes sense that he'd gain quite a reputation over that time. Heck, Beerus may have even mentioned Buu to Freeza/Cold at some point. Something like: "What, you think your clan is something special? Ha! You're not even half as strong as that Majin Buu creature the Kaioshin had so much trouble dealing with."
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Originally posted by AstnerWhen Golden Freeza was at his peak, he was demonstrably superior to BSSJG Goku. It was only when the ki consumption of his new form began to tax Freeza's stamina reserves, that Goku gained the upper hand.
Didn't Whis say that if Goku and Vegeta worked together they had a shot at taking out Beerus? So, since they were both individually stronger than Frieza Beerus had to be stronger.
...Freeza doesn't have any stamina drawbacks here.
Originally posted by PlacidityThat's filler.
Freeza is such a noob for not developing his powers more before trying to kill Goku. I thought he could see exactly what was happening while in hell? I remember a scene where Freeza and Cell were in hell rooting for Buu or some other villain.
In the manga, evildoers don't get to keep their bodies and watch current events on a big screen in Hell when they die. Instead, they are removed from their bodies entirely, and their souls are immediately sent for purification:
http://i.imgur.com/ckXpWKk.jpg
That is also what happened with Pure Buu. When he was killed by the Genki Dama, his soul was immediately purified, and he was reborn as Uub.
Originally posted by bbrem123See above. When Golden Freeza was at 100%, he was superior to BSSJG Goku. It was only when Freeza became depleted that Goku started controlling the fight.
He would not be able to win. He is on par with Goku not Beerus. Didnt Goku say it would have been a great match if he had learned his form better.
Originally posted by Galan007imo the 70% statement seems pretty inaccurate. That would make The BSSJG only a ~20% increase. You would think it would be x2
100% is the only thing that makes sense. It required 70% of Beerus' power just to deal with SSJG Goku individually during BoG. Now, he and Vegeta have each surpassed SSJG, so obviously 70% Beerus would not be sufficient to deal with both of them.
Originally posted by Galan007Hmm. I saw it as he was untrained and wasted his energy to fast. While Goku could control his better to last longer in a fight. He pulled a Muhammad Ali on Frieza.
See above. When Golden Freeza was at 100%, he was superior to BSSJG Goku. It was only when Freeza became depleted that Goku started controlling the fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
I think they'd be nearly identical, power-wise. Whis noted that SSJGSSJ Goku+SSJGSSJ Vegeta would be able to match 100% Beerus if they worked together. This means they must be really close to Beerus' level individually, otherwise they get shit-stomped in rapid succession(that's how it works in DBZ--if you're significantly weaker than your opponent, numbers are inconsequential.)That said, Golden Freeza looked demonstrably superior to SSJGSSJ Goku until the rapid ki consumption of his freshly-acquired form started weakening him. Had it not been for that, Freeza would have beaten Goku, imo... What's funny is that Freeza is such a natural prodigy that he likely could have mastered his Golden form with just a few more weeks of training, and removed the ki consumption/stamina drawback all together... But instead, he let his arrogance get the better of him. Again.
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Before he trained, yes.
"demonstrably superior to SSJGSSJ Goku" What? lol
Goku was toying with him...
