Golden Freeza vs. Beerus

Originally posted by U need Leonard
Exactly my point, it's clear Goku was aware of Freeza's weakness suprisingly 'early' into the fight. Goku has lied about going all out before, twice in the Buu saga. There's enough evidence to question whether or not he was giving Freeza the rope-a-dope. Add to that, on several occasions, knowing Freeza had a knew form he was willing to allow Freeza to improve. This suggests Goku is still confident in his abilities if he were to leave and return.

Let's not forget he lied about using his full power against Beerus in Bog at one point; Beerus himself at that point didn't even realize it. I don't claim to know what's in a fictional character's heart or head but given Goku already knew Freeza was fighting a losing battle, I'm going to need to see a perfected Freeza in action before I automatically assume he can beat Goku. I can't remember a major fight Goku was in where he wasn't getting beat up at 1st. Goku has been winning battles he started out losing since Dragon Ball. Those few short minutes of Goku getting knocked around is no where near enough evidence for me to jump to that conclusion.

You're still injecting too much of your opinion into the scene.

Originally posted by Galan007
The difference is that in ALL of those examples, we were explicitly informed that Goku was holding back. [b]THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN HIS BATTLE WITH FREEZA. Literally NO concrete evidence alludes to him holding back, while ALL concrete evidence suggests he was going all-out.

You're still injecting too much of your opinion into the scene. [/B]

We were explicitly informed that Goku was holding back...later, after the fact. During those bouts, we had no reason to assume he was. In this battle, we have reason to think he 'could' be; much more reason then in previous cases where he actually was holding back. The problem is, there is no concrete evidence, because a perfected Freeza does not exist and Goku was not worried, in the least, about the possibility when he gave him the chance to leave and perfect his form. There is no "concrete" evidence for anything.

Concrete

ADJECTIVE

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existing in a material or physical form; real or solid; .not abstract

These are not my opinions, as I never said Goku was holding back, only that there is a case that he could be, and if that case exists, I can't see him matching Beerus. He would have to have beaten Goku somehow, for me to think that he would "definitely" be closer to Beerus, if his form was perfected, than Goku was and is.

There is a lot to question knowing that Goku has actually been training with Whis and has been siting on this form for who knows how long. Before I start jumping to conclusions, I'd rather just wait for the anime to catch up, to shed more light on these mysteries.

Lot of words just to tell me I'm right. 👆

How could Golden Frieza grasp how strong BSSG Goku was?

Beerus stomps

I dont dont think this is really even close at all either

It isn't close. I think Beerus would give him the same treatment he has given everyone he's faced so far. Bills didn't even seem interested in Frieza when he was there witnessing the fight.

Given that peak Golden Freeza was > BSSJG Goku, he[Freeza] is likely between an 8.5-9.0 to Beerus' 10. So yes, it is close in that regard.

IOW, Beerus may win, but he certainly would not do so as easily as he's beaten everyone else. That's laughable.

It seem Golden Frieza could sense Godly Ki. He was amazed at Goku when he transformed. How is this even possible in the first place?

He must have sensed Beerus's power. Which is why he was scared

Akira stated in Dragon Ball Volume "F", that Freeza is no match for Beerus no matter what he does, I take that as a sign that the powergap between them is bigger then we suspect.

Yup. These number are great and all but you cant make them the end all for gauging powers. They are just wayyy to flawed. Especially when it comes to DB

What if Bills destroy a Universe, will people consider Goku as a Universal being as well?

Originally posted by carver9
What if Bills destroy a Universe, will people consider Goku as a Universal being as well?

Goku isn't universal until he becomes Beerus' equal.

Originally posted by Astner

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So Beerus shits freeza out.

Originally posted by carver9
What if Bills destroy a Universe, will people consider Goku as a Universal being as well?

Even if Goku becomes equal to Beerus in fighting level, he will never have the raw power that Beerus does where he can just wipe out planets with a swipe of his finger.

Originally posted by Galan007
Given that peak Golden Freeza was > BSSJG Goku, he[Freeza] is likely between an 8.5-9.0 to Beerus' 10. So yes, it is close in that regard.

IOW, Beerus may win, but he certainly would not do so as easily as he's beaten everyone else. That's laughable.

You are wrong on this Galan, Beerus would have snuffed Freeza out like the trash he is.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Even if Goku becomes equal to Beerus in fighting level, he will never have the raw power that Beerus does where he can just wipe out planets with a swipe of his finger.

Why not? Do you think Whis can do it?