For Blacks Americans, US about as dangerous as Rwanda

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is that is what YOU are boiling down to.

And I'm fine with calling out bullshit racism for just that. Just because I characterize their position, with hyperbole, does not make it untrue.

Originally posted by Newjak
It's just a way you're trying to demonize liberals while ignoring an actual racial discrimination problem.

Oh really? Because I have a quote that directly contradicts you, here:

Originally posted by dadudemon
What do you think a financially successful white American should be doing to combat American racism without coming off as racist in the manner I describe?

Quite clearly, I acknowledge the problem. Quite clearly, I also want to avoid becoming the racist white progressive I describe, as well.

This is a mulligan. I'll just assume that you missed this part of one of my posts rather than assume you're going out of you way to lie about things I've stated. It's me: I'm the ****ing dadudemon - ain't nobody gonna get the drop on me on words I've posted. 313

Demographics in US in Millions

White People: 196,817,552

Black People: 37,685,848

Originally posted by AbnormalButSane
You can't exactly blame Bardock for your poor argument.

You're right: I can blame him for his poor characterization and argument. 👆

Originally posted by Newjak
By wanting to help solve the racial problem does not make you a racist or a person believes black people are inferior in anyway in terms of actual human capabilities.

This is mostly a red herring on your part. This is not really my argument.

And, honestly, only on KMC, which is rife with Liberal Apologists, would my argument be seen as silly and "derailing." I have never seen such a nest of liberal apologists in one single place before. Don't get comfortable in thinking you're in some sort of majority, here. Talk to the average black man and ask him how much he likes to be coddled by people like you and Bardock42. Let me know if he thinks it is subversive racism or not.

Likely, you won't ask. Nor will anyone in this thread (likely because most white people posting in this thread actually do not know any black people in real life). Because you are content with your idea of what it means to be "righteous." Stop to think about how your perspectives and approaches might also be racist.

I still haven't read any actual good ideas for black issues, by the way. Just empty rhetoric.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And I'm fine with calling out bullshit racism for just that. Just because I characterize their position, with hyperbole, does not make it untrue.

Oh really? Because I have a quote that directly contradicts you, here:

Quite clearly, I acknowledge the problem. Quite clearly, I also want to avoid becoming the racist white progressive I describe, as well.

This is a mulligan. I'll just assume that you missed this part of one of my posts rather than assume you're going out of you way to lie about things I've stated. It's me: I'm the ****ing dadudemon - ain't nobody gonna get the drop on me on words I've posted. 313

The answer is simple don't be a racist and still help. That's what most people I think do.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Demographics in US in Millions

White People: 196,817,552

Black People: 37,685,848

Your point is better made if you also put down the percentages of each race.

If the chart was reflective of the percentages of race, the white category would be at 70%+, black around 11-13%, and so forth.

However, some would complain that white privilege has led to white people being more financially successful and that a proper race ratio-argument is not appropriate.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is mostly a red herring on your part. This is not really my argument.

And, honestly, only on KMC, which is rife with Liberal Apologists, would my argument be seen as silly and "derailing." I have never seen such a nest of liberal apologists in one single place before. Don't get comfortable in thinking you're in some sort of majority, here. Talk to the average black man and ask him how much he likes to be coddled by people like you and Bardock42. Let me know if he thinks it is subversive racism or not.

Likely, you won't ask. Nor will anyone in this thread (likely because most white people posting in this thread actually do not know any black people in real life). Because you are content with your idea of what it means to be "righteous." Stop to think about how your perspectives and approaches might also be racist.

I still haven't read any actual good ideas for black issues, by the way. Just empty rhetoric.

It also doesn't actually change the central problem or wanting to help solve it.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem is you are using hyperbole.

That's not a problem if you are being honest instead of attacking a strawman especially when I clarify myself within the same exact quote. 👆

Don't go out of your way to misunderstand a person's point.

Originally posted by Newjak
It actually does the opposite it's is you name calling people it making it a negative scenario to want to help other people.

Name-calling who?

Originally posted by Newjak
The answer is simple don't be a racist and still help. That's what most people I think do.

That's not an answer at all. That much is implied in the question. Though I definitely agree with your statement, what specifically can be done?

Originally posted by Newjak
More generalizations on the personal lives of other people without any substance. You don't know me or where I've lived or who I know.

So does this mean you'll have this discussion with an actual black man instead of a bunch of privileged white people on the internet? Because that'd be totally awesome if you did. 😐

Let me put it another way (since it seems you like comparisons).

If tons of people say women are incapable of holding jobs, and women protest and state that this is offensive, should people stop to reconsider their position as being offensive and sexist? Or should they just continue and say "those women have no point. We are doing nothing wrong. We are true feminists, bro!!!"?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So does this mean you'll have this discussion with an actual black man instead of a bunch of privileged white people on the internet? Because that'd be totally awesome if you did. 😐

Let me put it another way (since it seems you like comparisons).

If tons of people say women are incapable of holding jobs, and women protest and state that this is offensive, should people stop to reconsider their position as being offensive and sexist? Or should they just continue and say "those women have no point. We are doing nothing wrong. We are true feminists, bro!!!"?

That's not an accurate assessment.

The better comparison would be you calling the men that agree with the protesting women and wanting to help msygonists for wanting to help.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Your point is better made if you also put down the percentages of each race.

If the chart was reflective of the percentages of race, the white category would be at 70%+, black around 11-13%, and so forth.

However, some would complain that white privilege has led to white people being more financially successful and that a proper race ratio-argument is not appropriate.

Of course you get a general feeling for how that number would look from the graph. For instance even though blacks only make up 11-13% of the populace they make up 25% of welfare.

White make up 70% of the populace but only make up 40% of welfare recipients.

Originally posted by Newjak
Once again you don't know me or who I've talked to about this. Or why that somehow invalidates my point.

Here's another one of your problems: you think my suggestion is supposed to "invalid my point." If you understood my point, you wouldn't think this.

If your point is, "White Progressives in the US cannot be racist", yeah, that would invalidate your point. Since that isn't your point, clearly, my suggestion couldn't invalidate it. 👆

Originally posted by Newjak
That's not an accurate assessment.

The better comparison would be you calling the men that agree with the protesting women and wanting to help msygonists for wanting to help.

You may actually understand my point if and only if your last statement, there, actually means:

"Some misogynists want to help women with employment because they think women are too inadequate to do it without their help." If that was what you were trying to say, yes, you get my point. If that is not what you were trying to say, you still don't understand my point.

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Originally posted by Newjak
Actually the better stat to see would be the number of welfare recipients by race per capta.

Yeah, I did such an analysis a while back (4 ish years ago). And it makes the situation look much "worse" (and it would much more strongly support TI's argument) and posted it in the GDF.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You may actually understand my point if and only if your last statement, there, actually means:

"Some misogynists want to help women with employment because they think women are too inadequate to do it without their help." If that was what you were trying to say, yes, you get my point. If that is not what you were trying to say, you still don't understand my point.

That is still not accurate because you have made the claim most white people that want to help are racists. There is no some in your statements.

Your words have been a lot.

As to your question. If you don't want to be a racists that helps(A Liberal Racist in your word) then either don't be a racist and help OR be a racist and don't help OR don't be racist and don't help. Either solution gets your objective.

Don't pretend it is a known widespread problem though.

Originally posted by Newjak
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That is still not accurate because you have made the claim most white people that want to help are racists.

Oh really? Where did I state that?

Originally posted by Newjak
Don't pretend it is a known widespread problem though.

But it is among not-white-people. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh really? Where did I state that?

But it is among not-white-people. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
Depends on your motivations for helping and exactly what constitutes that help.

Since I'm referring to a specific type of white person*, yeah, it does mean that.

*And they are numerous.

Originally posted by Newjak
Here you go.

Thank you. Now at this point, it would be appropriate to apologize to me as I quite clearly never once claimed that most white people are subversively racist liberals.* 👆

*Why? Because that's clearly be a stupid claim. 😆 If the strength of your argument relies on misrepresenting points, your argument has no substance. If you have to lie about things I have stated, why even post?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Thank you. Now at this point, it would be appropriate to apologize to me as I quite clearly never once claimed that most white people are subversively racist liberals.* 👆

*Why? Because that's clearly be a stupid claim. 😆 If the strength of your argument relies on misrepresenting points, your argument has no substance. If you have to lie about things I have stated, why even post?

So here is a trivial idea instead of pretending I was misrepresenting what you were saying you could sight sources showing the 'numerous' liberal racists white people you've been talking about?

You keep acting like it is a major problem with white people trying to help stop racism so put up or shut up. Show me the stats that show it is a major problem instead of a biased view by you with no evidence to support it.

Originally posted by Newjak
When you include the word numerous you make it out to seem a big problem.

That's quite clearly your problem. Just don't make up stuff and you'll be golden. Stick to people's words.

Originally posted by Newjak
So here is a trivial idea instead of pretending I was misrepresenting what you were saying you could sight sources showing the 'numerous' liberal racists white people you've been talking about?

Sure, just let me pull up this study where American Liberals who like coddle black people admit that they are secretly racist...

Originally posted by Newjak
Show me the stats that show it is a major problem instead of a biased view by you with no evidence to support it.

It's definitely a problem. For sure. But there you go again adding your own spin. "Major"? 😬

But, here, you want some stats that are immeasurable, so I'll give you stats that can be measured:

http://www.rt.com/usa/majority-americans-racist-poll-378/

55% of dems are racist. 64% of GOPs are racist.

Now tell me where the subversive racists fit in with those numbers? Can you figure it out?