Meh. We need someone in office who will reform political financing, not one who is complacent with it. Unfortunately, Trump has pretty much scared New Yorkers into voting for Hillary. They like Sanders more, but view Hillary as the one with the best possible chance to beat Trump, who is seeming more and more like the the GOP candidate. My uncle who loathes Hillary and supported Bernie even stated he would vote for Hillary if it came down to her and Trump.
If he wasn't in this election, Sanders probably would have taken it and his ideas would have probably been more well received, but Trump's presence makes electing Hillary seem like a urgent necessity, especially in NYC, the home of not only Trump but the nation's largest population of immigrants, who Trump presumably scared with his nativist policies to the point that they were willing to take the safer bet with Hillary than risk Sanders losing to Trump.
It should be noted that Sanders won a majority of the state, but the cities he lost in, including mine, Syracuse, and Buffalo, have probably the largest and most diverse immigrant populations in the state outside of NYC, where he also lost in. America is a diverse nation with various immigrant populations of various ethnicities, and when a jingoistic nativist like Trump starts looking like he has a real shot at the presidency, they view it as a 100% doomsday scenario, and they aren't going to risk going for an unknown idealist when the safer bet seems to be the well-known pragmatist. Maybe in another not-Trump-included election, Bernie would have a better chance, but Trump has raised the stakes.
So if you want the truth of it, I have always gloated about how Trump sabotaged the Republican party, but now, it appears he has sabotaged the democrats too. Bernie really could have bought real progressive change. He actually had the moral character and the intelligence to see what was wrong with our political system and what needed to be done to help the people. But Trump's presence has sabotaged Bernie by making the consequences of his loss too big to risk.
So now we have been railroaded into a one way Hillary path whether we like it or not. We are essentially being forced to choose between the corrupt politician who takes bribes from greedy tycoons vs the greedy tycoon who bribes corrupt politicians. And the honest politician who wanted to end the bribery is seen as hopeless.
Trump is truly the worst thing to happen to politics since John Wilkes Booth. NY Democrats could have turned the tide of the primaries, the election, and history forever yesterday for the better, but Trump scared them and now we are stuck with Hillary without any choice in the matter.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Trump is truly the worst thing to happen to politics since John Wilkes Booth. NY Democrats could have turned the tide of the primaries, the election, and history forever yesterday for the better, but Trump scared them and now we are stuck with Hillary without any choice in the matter.
It's still not over for Sanders, he could potentially take it after June if he's able to secure enough superdelegates, ie convince the party that he can beat the Republican nom [Trump] in the GE.
But yeah, the most likely outcome now is Hillary Vs Trump, like asking which STD would you prefer. Second most likely outcome is Hillary Vs Who-Knows-Who-They'll-Pick-In-A-Contested
Originally posted by Lestov16New York voters like Bernie more than Hilary but were scared by trump into voting for Hilary? How did trump scare them? How do you know the majority of people in the state of New York support Bernie when Hilary won the popular vote?
Meh. We need someone in office who will reform political financing, not one who is complacent with it. Unfortunately, Trump has pretty much scared New Yorkers into voting for Hillary. They like Sanders more, but view Hillary as the one with the best possible chance to beat Trump, who is seeming more and more like the the GOP candidate. My uncle who loathes Hillary and supported Bernie even stated he would vote for Hillary if it came down to her and Trump.
If he wasn't in this election, Sanders probably would have taken it and his ideas would have probably been more well received, but Trump's presence makes electing Hillary seem like a urgent necessity, especially in NYC, the home of not only Trump but the nation's largest population of immigrants, who Trump presumably scared with his nativist policies to the point that they were willing to take the safer bet with Hillary than risk Sanders losing to Trump.how has trump's presence made voting Hilary an urgent necessity? You think Trump scared NYC with "nativist" policies in the "nations largest population of immigrants"? I would have thought legal immigrants hate illegal immigration and would vote for Trump because of that, oh wait they voted for Hilary. I think they didn't vote for sanders because it is a hard working financial capital that disagrees with socialist policies. And I don't understand how a majority of sanders voters would not vote for sanders because they think he'll lose the general election. Are you suggesting they changed their mind because the candidate they dislike has a better chance of winning against trump? Why does Hilary stand a better chance against trump? Also, how do you know an area of a majority of immigrants are sanders supporters when they literally just voted for Hilary?
It should be noted that Sanders won a majority of the state, but the cities he lost in, including mine, Syracuse, and Buffalo, have probably the largest and most diverse immigrant populations in the state outside of NYC, where he also lost in. America is a diverse nation with various immigrant populations of various ethnicities, and when a jingoistic nativist like Trump starts looking like he has a real shot at the presidency, they view it as a 100% doomsday scenario, and they aren't going to risk going for an unknown idealist when the safer bet seems to be the well-known pragmatist. Maybe in another not-Trump-included election, Bernie would have a better chance, but Trump has raised the stakes.so sanders lost the state. Your argument seems to be immigrant strong areas of different ethnicities are scared that a pragmatist has a better chance against Trump than Bernie. I also find it funny how you think these immigrants view Trump as a 100% doomsday scenario. I wonder how many you've spoken to. why do you think Trump is a jingoistic nativist?
So if you want the truth of it, I have always gloated about how Trump sabotaged the Republican party, but now, it appears he has sabotaged the democrats too. Bernie really could have bought real progressive change. He actually had the moral character and the intelligence to see what was wrong with our political system and what needed to be done to help the people. But Trump's presence has sabotaged Bernie by making the consequences of his loss too big to risk.Trump sabotaged the republicans and the democrats? That's pretty awesome given how corrupt they both are. Bernie sanders' intelligence didn't sabotage the republicans or democrats. He did take a lot of donations from poor people who "did not know what it was like to be poor" though.
So now we have been railroaded into a one way Hillary path whether we like it or not. We are essentially being forced to choose between the corrupt politician who takes bribes from greedy tycoons vs the greedy tycoon who bribes corrupt politicians. And the honest politician who wanted to end the bribery is seen as hopeless.Bernie is hopeless. He didn't have a job for the majority of his life and wants to raise taxes on the middle class, people who work extremely hard. I don't think that's fair or presidential material. Trump on the other hand is very good at creating jobs.
Trump is truly the worst thing to happen to politics since John Wilkes Booth. NY Democrats could have turned the tide of the primaries, the election, and history forever yesterday for the better, but Trump scared them and now we are stuck with Hillary without any choice in the matter. [/B]How the hell did Trump scare New Yorkers into voting for Hilary?
So to sum it up basically it seems like we're going to be getting a shitty president no matter who is in the office. The people who wouldn't be so shitty either aren't running or have no actual chance of victory.
It's weird when a presidential election turns into something where you have to decide which person is the lesser of the two evils.
Originally posted by |King Joker|Just about to post that, along with Trump winning 5/5 and Clinton winning 4/5 last night.
Cruz will name Fiorina as his running mate if he wins the nomination.
Sander's still mathematically has a chance, but he's basically done. So it's going to be Clinton Vs Trump in the primary barring anything unlikely happening.
Originally posted by SurturBasically, yeah.
So to sum it up basically it seems like we're going to be getting a shitty president no matter who is in the office. The people who wouldn't be so shitty either aren't running or have no actual chance of victory.It's weird when a presidential election turns into something where you have to decide which person is the lesser of the two evils.
So look at these savage pieces of shit:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/protesters-block-traffic-near-trump-rally-california-n564526
More people protesting Trump rallies, 20 people arrested. Police car windows were smashed, etc.
Another link:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-california-protest/
Since that other link doesn't show the pictures of the bloodied Trump supporters.