Now the new thing is people whining over voter ID laws. The other day when I went to the store to buy some cough syrup I needed to show an ID, but some think requiring it for something as important as voting is silly? I also need an ID to drive a car or buy booze or all these things, but it's going too far to need one for voting?
Especially when it will keep illegals from voting?
The news media attack Donald trumps appearance and money. They also say how he is a little bit racist by taking his policies out of context and applying racism themselves.
Face books memes show no substance other than their utter failure and trump is winning.
This election is more of a joke than Leicester city winning the premier league gdi.
Originally posted by Surtur
Now the new thing is people whining over voter ID laws. The other day when I went to the store to buy some cough syrup I needed to show an ID, but some think requiring it for something as important as voting is silly? I also need an ID to drive a car or buy booze or all these things, but it's going too far to need one for voting?Especially when it will keep illegals from voting?
The difference is that you do not have a constitutional right to booze or cough syrup, or to drive a car, but you do have a constitutional right to vote.
Voter ID does not prevent illegals from voting, the voter registration process does.
At least a dozen Republicans have admitted publicly that the purpose of voter ID laws is voter suppression.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The difference is that you do not have a constitutional right to booze or cough syrup, or to drive a car, but you do have a constitutional right to vote.Voter ID does not prevent illegals from voting, the voter registration process does.
At least a dozen Republicans have admitted publicly that the purpose of voter ID laws is voter suppression.
Fair enough, but why can't people get ID's? What is so hard? Do these people never drive cars or buy booze or any of that shit? Don't you need an ID for health care and all that shit too?
If you're too lazy or cheap to get an ID that is on you. Pretty sure you can't get something like welfare or any of that shit without an ID, right? So why don't these people have ID's? What is so difficult? Can you explain it to me?
If voting is so important to you..wouldn't you make sure to get an ID?
I just had to take my brother to get him an ID so he could travel to New York. It cost him 25 dollars and it took about 30 minutes. If someone can't afford the 25 bucks to get it then whether or not they can vote is the least of their problems.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
trump has never acted like a racist xenophobic douche. Do you listen to comedians and laugh at politicians?
You're pretty uninformed then, cos wanting to bar all Muslims from entering the country and talking about 'Muslim identifier' tags is xenophobic. Or maybe you're aware of this and you're just stupid?
Originally posted by Robtard
You're pretty uninformed then, cos wanting to bar all Muslims from entering the country and talking about 'Muslim identifier' tags is xenophobic. Or maybe you're aware of this and you're just stupid?
So what are your thoughts on the whole thing Jimmy Carter did when he was president? You would label him as a xenophobic racist right?
Follow up question: I'm sure you are aware Trump did not say ban Muslims forever, but only temporarily. Do you think some people are reacting to that as if he had said he wants to permanently bar them from the country?
Originally posted by Surtur
So what are your thoughts on the whole thing Jimmy Carter did when he was president? You would label him as a xenophobic racist right?Follow up question: I'm sure you are aware Trump did not say ban Muslims forever, but only temporarily. Do you think some people are reacting to that as if he had said he wants to permanently bar them from the country?
Was shitty of Carter, but it's another apples to oranges comparison. Carter specifically did it to put pressure on the Iranian government, not some blanket "If you're a Muslim, then you're an enemy". Read
Not sure how it being temporary makes it not xenophobic?
Yes we've gone over how it wasn't technically the same, but he still wanted to ban a specific group of people. That is xenophobic and racist, correct? I mean he was super specific in his racism I'll give you that point.
I never said it being temporary made it not xenophobic. I asked if you felt like anyone has reacted to this as if he said he wants them gone forever?
Not sure Iranians are a "race" and it wasn't due to them being Muslim, it was a national thing aimed at Iran. It's apples to oranges comparison, really scraping the barrel to make Trump look less shitty. But even if we say Carter did the same thing(he didn't), not sure how someone else doing something shitty in the past excuses Trump's present day turds? Can we say deflection. We just did.
I can't speak for other people.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure Iranians are a "race" and it wasn't due to them being Muslim, it was a national thing aimed at Iran.
Okay xenophobic or bigoted or whatever thing, he's just as shitty as Trump, correct?
Also wait..being "Muslim" isn't really a race either correct?
I can't speak for other people.
I'm asking you for your opinion, I'm not asking you to give a definitive statement, but if you feel you have seen people reacting as if he said he wants Muslims gone forever.
Originally posted by Robtard
Well no.Sure, it's possible. I don't know of anyone personally. The point of this?
Did you see my edit about how Muslims don't seem to be a race either? Isn't a Muslim someone who follows Islam?
Also the point is to gauge whether you feel there was an overreaction to what Trump has said. Which before you reply: no I am not saying that getting upset over saying he wants to temporarily ban them is an overreaction. I've seen some people more or less acting like he said he wants to put every Muslim onto a rocket ship and fire it into the sun.
Islam isn't a "race", though the religion has cultural ties some would say. Anyhow, can you just get to whatever [Trump's not a bigot] point you're trying to push?
And it's a silly point. The barring all Muslims whether temporary or fulltime is a crazy shit thing to say either way. It being temporary only makes it a less inane.
But you called Trump racist for wanting to ban Muslims, but I bring up the Jimmy Carter thing and you say it's not racist because Iranians weren't a race. You don't see the contradiction?
I also don't think people having an overreaction to this is a silly point if it's actually true.
If you're asking why I'm bringing up Jimmy Carter..it was to see if you'd put him in the same category of Trump. Essentially wondering if saying these things are not okay period or if it's just not okay when Trump does it.
The "racist" angle was towards Trump's attitude towards Mexicans. The "xenophobic" was more towards his attitude towards Muslims.
What Carter did was shitty. But to compare the two as being equal is stupid and as pointed out, even if they were to be equal, a deplorable thing done 30+ years ago does not excuse one being done today.
Originally posted by Robtard
The "racist" angle was towards Trump's attitude towards Mexicans. The "xenophobic" was more towards his attitude towards Muslims.What Carter did was shitty. But to compare the two as being equal is stupid and as pointed out, even if they were to be equal, a deplorable thing done 30+ years ago does not excuse one being done today.
But why is one worse then the other? If one guy says he wants all black people removed from this country and another guy says he just wants all blacks that live in the ghetto removed from this country..which person is worse? I'd put both people squarely in the "piece of shit" category. I wouldn't say the 2nd guy is less racist because his racism was more specific.
I'm also not trying to say it excuses what Trump said.
You're still treating Carter's and Trump's fouls as equal. Maybe read the article I posted?
Then I don't see why we're arguing about this. Trump's a xenophobic ass in the here and now and he's about to be one step away from being POTUS. Focusing on what Carter may or may not have done as being similar 30+ years ago is only a deflection. Carter will never be in a position of power again.
Originally posted by Robtard
[B]You're still treating Carter's and Trump's fouls as equal. Maybe read the article I posted?
Can you explain to me why it's not as bad as what Trump did? Since saying Jimmy Carter was just more specific about it doesn't make sense as to why it's not as bad. This is a sitting president who did this, not some douche running for president who hasn't even been a politician that long.
I'm not sure why you can't admit wanting to ban one group of people is just as shitty as wanting to ban another. Is it just because you feel Trumps ban would effect more people? It's not like you have even said you think it's not as bad because you think the reason Carter wanted to do it is more valid then Trumps reasons. All you said was that Carter was more specific about the group he wanted to ban. Is that indeed what you're saying? Carter wanted to do it to put pressure on the government while Trump wants to ban Muslims because he thinks it would prevent terrorist attacks and thus Carter is the lesser of these two evils?