General Primary Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, Steinem took back her words, in fact stating the opposite of what you explain "young women are activist and feminist in greater numbers than ever before". (http://cnn.it/1nYnhmy). I don't disagree that the statement was ageist as well.

Let's be real, Steinem didn't walk back her statement because it is wrong, she did it because it's clumsily-worded, and the outrage brigade seized on it, and she is getting a bunch of grief over it. Same shit, different day.

And there is a huge difference between identifying as a feminist and actually being concerned about feminist issues.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As for the second part I agree, and have stated so before, the hatred towards Hillary definitely has a large aspect of sexism towards it. Although we shouldn't completely discount that voters are just fed up with "establishment" candidates. The same angry "lets do something big now!!!" attitude that benefits Trump is also benefitting Sanders.

Bernie Sanders is a life-long career politician. He has been in Congress for over 25 years. It does not get any more establishment than that. So I don't buy the anti-establishment argument.

He's been anti establishment the entire time.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

"There is a special place in hell for women who don't help each other."

This bigoted old women thinks any women who does not support Hilary is going to hell.

What a stupid old women. [/B]

Fixed

A bit overly-dramatic editorializing in the article but, yea, anyone who thinks the Clintons won't go after a rival really hard isn't paying attention. They certainly play hard ball.

Also-
Huffpo editor says three internal polls put Kasich in second place with a cushion

This is good news for, in order, Kasich, Trump, and maybe Cruz.

Would love Kasich to win the Rep nom, but I really don't see it happening.

Your link is broken, btw

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Let's be real, Steinem didn't walk back her statement because it is wrong, she did it because it's clumsily-worded, and the outrage brigade seized on it, and she is getting a bunch of grief over it. Same shit, different day.

And there is a huge difference between identifying as a feminist and actually being concerned about feminist issues.

I don't presume to know whether Steinem actually realised how ignorant her statement was or just tried to do damage control. However her revised statement is correct, young women now are more energised about feminist issues than ever before, and a lot of outspoken young feminists talk about why they prefer Sanders, so we don't have to presume why they do.

Additionally her claim that young women have more societal power and that older women become more radical is just ridiculous and not in line with any reality.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Bernie Sanders is a life-long career politician. He has been in Congress for over 25 years. It does not get any more establishment than that. So I don't buy the anti-establishment argument.

Ok, but literally everyone else does...

Originally posted by Sancty
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Young women are less concerned with feminist issues? What? Gloria Steinem said herself more young women identify as feminist than ever before.

"Younger women, who are experiencing the height of their societal power" ...Complete BS. Height of objectification maybe. Young women don't feel the burden of sexism?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/feminism-project/poll/

There are just as many polls that show that a plurality of younger women reject the feminist label.

And of the younger women who identify as feminist today, many are not concerned with gender equality issues at all. Sorry, but things like "I have the right to feel safe all the time," is not a feminist issue.

And if you want to seriously argue that younger women, who are objectified and valued for the youth and beauty, are not at the height of their societal value when they are both young and beautiful, you are not going to be successful.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He's been anti establishment the entire time.

Nothing is more anti-establishment than voting against the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act and for the Commodities Futures Modernization Act.

And Hilary voting for the war? You are clueless Hilary supporter.

Sanders is so far beyond her, she had to cheat to "win" Iowa.

Originally posted by Robtard
Would love Kasich to win the Rep nom, but I really don't see it happening.

Your link is broken, btw

I fixed it

Originally posted by Bardock42
Ok, but literally everyone else does...

Well, unfortunately for them, reality is not up for popular vote.

A life-long career politician does not suddenly become anti-establishment because he campaigns as an one. That is true whether that candidate is Bernie Sanders or Ted Cruz, who is another life-long career politician claiming to be anti-establishment.

There are any number of people who are willing to believe any number of things if it comports with what they already want to believe. It does not make it so.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Well, unfortunately for them, reality is not up for popular vote.

A life-long career politician does not suddenly become anti-establishment because he campaigns as an one. That is true whether that candidate is Bernie Sanders or Ted Cruz, who is another life-long career politician claiming to be anti-establishment.

There are any number of people who are willing to believe any number of things if it comports with what they already want to believe. It does not make it so.

Care to prove how Cruz is a life long politician.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
There are just as many polls that show that a plurality of younger women reject the feminist label.

And of the younger women who identify as feminist today, many are not concerned with gender equality issues at all. Sorry, but things like "I have the right to feel safe all the time," is not a feminist issue.

And if you want to seriously argue that younger women, who are objectified and valued for the youth and beauty, are not at the height of their societal value when they are both young and beautiful, you are not going to be successful.

Societal value =/= power. Young women would have to be taken seriously to have power lol. The argument that young women have societal power because men want to **** them is insulting bullshit.

Instead of speaking on behalf of young women maybe try reading what they have to say flowers They're making it pretty clear why they support Sanders and it isn't for male attention. Young men are more likely than young women to support Hillary http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-bro-is-a-myth/

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Well, unfortunately for them, reality is not up for popular vote.

A life-long career politician does not suddenly become anti-establishment because he campaigns as an one. That is true whether that candidate is Bernie Sanders or Ted Cruz, who is another life-long career politician claiming to be anti-establishment.

There are any number of people who are willing to believe any number of things if it comports with what they already want to believe. It does not make it so.

He has been an independent for most of his career, which puts him outside of the two party establishment at least. This is not so much about their jobs, in which case you would perhaps be right, but about how much they fall in line for the party, and definitely Cruz, but also Sanders, do not really do that.

They are not "company men", if you will.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And Hilary voting for the war? You are clueless Hilary supporter.

Sanders is so far beyond her, she had to cheat to "win" Iowa.

You're still beating that stupid drum? This has been explained to you countless times already:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is rich from someone with two Super PACs who claims not to take money from independent-expenditure committees.

Most progressives Sanders knows are not the Secretary of State and cannot take a position on a policy issue before that administration she serves.

Clinton voted to allow the United States to secure the United Nations inspectors in their search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

"Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.

. . . My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for unilateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose—all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world."

That Bush used that authorization to launch a pre-emptive war in Iraq is not what she voted for.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In the event of a tie, delegates are awarded by coin toss. The probability of winning a coin toss is 50 percent. Out of a dozen coin tosses on caucus night, Clinton won six. How is that fraud?

Moreover, the coin tosses only awarded county delegates. Clinton defeated Sanders by several state delegate equivalents. Even if every coin toss went for Sanders, the results would not have changed. Sorry, it is not fraud that Sanders supporters do not understand how caucuses work.

😂

No no proof

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Care to prove how Cruz is a life long politician.

In 1999, Cruz joined the George W. Bush presidential campaign as a domestic policy adviser.

After President Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.

From 2003 to 2008, he served as Solicitor General of Texas for Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.

In 2012, he was elected to the United States Senate, where he has been ever since.

Interesting.

1999-2015 is 16 years.

He is 45.

Thats 1/3 of his life.

Glad we agree he's not a life long politician like Hilary is.

Originally posted by Sancty
Yeah I think feminists determine what feminist issues are, not you.

A feminist is anyone who advocates for gender equality. Feminists are not necessarily women. So yes, I can make determinations about what is a feminist issue, despite your condescension.

Originally posted by Sancty
"many are not concerned with gender equality issues at all" sources??

Are you new to the internet? Have been to Tumblr? Have you been to Twitter? Examples abound of people who identify as feminists but are unconcerned with gender equality.

Originally posted by Sancty
The issue of feeling safe is due to rates of sexual assault.. which is a feminist issue.

The world is unsafe. Life is not manageable. Actual safety is important. Your feelings are not. No one should be assaulted, but no one has a right to feel safe.

Originally posted by Sancty
Societal value =/= power. Young women would have to be taken seriously to have power lol. The argument that young women have societal power because men want to **** them is insulting bullshit.

Value absolutely translates to power. People who have something of value to society, are arguably more powerful or have more access to power than those that do not.

People who are attractive are unconsciously given preferential treatment in society. That is true regardless of gender.

The difference is that society places more emphasis on the attractiveness of women while simultaneously considering it as diminishing more quickly than that of men.

It has nothing to do with "men wanting to **** women," because frankly, there are just as many men who do not want to have sex with women as there are women how do not want to have sex with men. But thank you for trying to label something as sexist while demonstrating your own heterosexism.

Originally posted by Sancty
Instead of speaking on behalf of young women maybe try reading what they have to say flowers They're making it pretty clear why they support Sanders and it isn't for male attention. Young men are more likely than young women to support Hillary http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-bro-is-a-myth/

Who is speaking on behalf of young women? Ms. Steinem had a hypothesis about why younger women do not support Clinton in numbers as great as older women based on her observations and life experience. I think there is some merit to her argument. You do not. So what?

Lol your downright psychotic about Hilary.

She's lost this race because of her constant lies and coverups for the past 40
Years