Originally posted by Sinious
Some of the posts in this thread are truly depressing. Why is lightsaber skill even being mentioned here? Being a better duelist than Revan has no importance here as even he would be able to kill Vitiate if he closed the gap. Force prowess and TP resistance are all that matters here and the team falls short in both categories.@Ant
As surprising as it is, I completely agree with your point. 👆
Yes, the team fall short in that they're not Vitiate's tier in force power. They don't however fall short enough that he can one shot them all before they close the gap.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Yes it does, Meetra was weakened considerably whereas Nyriss was amped, whom abused her amplified augmentation to out-speed Meetra.
Prove considerably. We know she was weakened, we hardly know to what extent. Also is there even any proof that the entirety of Droumund Kaas is a nexus?
She tanked lightning with greater strength than Dooku's has shown, I.E. instantly husking two men with one arc and disintegrating powerful Force Users after.
First of all a charged force storm is not comparable to a casual burst of lightning such as what Dooku has shown. Second, even if that's true Dooku has clashed evenly with Yoda himself. Meetra does not compare.
1.Cut content is considered noteworthy around here, if you don't like that take it up with mods.
Lol you've been a user for a year. I've been around here way longer than you, and it's not noteworthy. We use the Lucasarts canon policy around here.
2.Featless nightsisters with no visible connection to the Force and his own apprentice? Well shit. *Waves white flag*
Being the finest warriors amongst the nightsisters of dathomir is actually a pretty good accolade considering nightsisters>nightbrothers and an unarmed nightbrother was able to match Ventress in H2H.
3.Nice.
4.Still not comparable to disintegrating Force Users as powerful as Meetra(potentially), Scourge(potentially) or Nyriss herself whilst they had first degree barriers up.
Again. A charged force storm is not comparable to a casual burst.
Also the Ventress killing feat was better and he still only killed her without her defenses up, whereas Nyriss disintegrates powerful f*ckers of Ventress tier and far higher with prep'd barriers.
She intercepted a bolt meant for Vos, why would her defenses be down?
No he most certainly was not.
Oh yes he was.
"The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other."
"The two Force warriors attempted to defeat each other with displays of telekinesis and other Force abilities, but they were too evenly matched."
I'll take your concession in this thread, although if you want to do it more intimately in private you can shoot me a PM. 😉
Also who has Vitiate mind controlled remotely on the level of Maul, Dooku and Mace. Shit didn't Lana outright resist it?
Originally posted by Selenial
Lol @ using sources that say the AOTC duel was even when hundreds also describe it as a loss for Dooku.If you want to prove they were actually even, prove it by making an argument instead of selectively using sources that contradict each other relentlessly.
Show me a source that describes it as a loss for Dooku.
The original source material (the script) clearly shows Yoda crushing Dooku:
"COUNT DOOKU charges across the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that Dooku aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through. His energy drains. His strokes become feebler, slower.
YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to retreat. Wprds are insufficient to describe the range and skill of Yoda's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a humming blur of light.
Count Dooku's lightsaber is sent cartwheeling from his hand. He staggers back, gasping and spent, against the control panel. YODA jumps onto DOOKU'S shoulders, and is about to drive the lightsaber into the top of the Count's head."
The Attack of the Clones novelization and comic also made it clear Dooku was losing / lost.
Based on the fact the three primary sources (besides the movie since the victor was not stated) of the battle make it clear Dooku lost... he lost.
The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other.It's true Yoda didn't best Dooku in the Force, but that doesn't make him unable.
"The two Force warriors attempted to defeat each other with displays of telekinesis and other Force abilities, but they were too evenly matched."This is just false, the only action made by Yoda that can even be interpreted as an attack is deflecting Dooku's own lightning back at him. Other than that Yoda didn't attempt to defeat Dooku with the Force at all.
That's what happens when you use a children's book as a source.
The count left Obi-Wan beaten and Anakin without his right arm, and may have killed them both if not for Yoda, who arrived and launched a whirlwind attack. Dooku barely escaped with his life.
—Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology
The Count’s attack grew more desperate, to no avail. Breathing hard, he backed away, but Yoda did not pursue him. To stop Dooku was all that was necessary, and he could not pass Yoda to reach his Solar Sailer.
—Attack of the Clones junior novel
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111222381/4770503-yoda+vs+count+dooku+2.jpg
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The original source material (the script) clearly shows Yoda crushing Dooku:"COUNT DOOKU charges across the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that Dooku aims. Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through. His energy drains. His strokes become feebler, slower.
YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and skill of Yoda's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a humming blur of light.
Count Dooku's lightsaber is sent cartwheeling from his hand. He staggers back, gasping and spent, against the control panel. YODA jumps onto DOOKU'S shoulders, and is about to drive the lightsaber into the top of the Count's head."
The Attack of the Clones novelization and comic also made it clear Dooku was losing / lost.
Based on the fact the three primary sources (besides the movie since the victor was not stated) of the battle make it clear Dooku lost... he lost.
This is a lightsaber duel...and it is n-canon considering it describes Dooku being disarmed by Yoda and Yoda jumping on his shoulder. Direct contradiction to the actual movie. Also the novelization also describes Yoda deflecting Dooku's lightning 'far from easily' if I recall.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's true Yoda didn't best Dooku in the Force, but that doesn't make him unable.This is just false, the only action made by Yoda that can even be interpreted as an attack is deflecting Dooku's own lightning back at him. Other than that Yoda didn't attempt to defeat Dooku with the Force at all.That's what happens when you use a children's book as a source.
Yoda doesn't use the force for attack though. :/
The count left Obi-Wan beaten and Anakin without his right arm, and may have killed them both if not for Yoda, who arrived and launched a whirlwind attack. Dooku barely escaped with his life.—Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology
The Count’s attack grew more desperate, to no avail. Breathing hard, he backed away, but Yoda did not pursue him. To stop Dooku was all that was necessary, and he could not pass Yoda to reach his Solar Sailer.
—Attack of the Clones junior novel
A. This is in reference to the lightsaber duel. I was clearly referencing the force portion of the battle.
B. None of this discounts what I said, that he fought on par with Yoda. Eventually retreating doesn't mean it was a stomp. No one is arguing Dooku=Yoda in every way. What can be argued is that Yoda and Dooku fought on even ground for quite some time.
C. Losing doesn't mean loss.
Originally posted by Lord StarkExactly, if he did he would have ragdolled Dooku as easily as Sidious. Yoda's principles was the only thing preventing Dooku getting pwned.
Yoda doesn't use the force for attack though. :/
Originally posted by Lord StarkI'm pretty sure Vitiate is capable of mind ****ing them all at once. 😐
All of this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Vitiate tries to mind **** any combatant and he will likely get put on his ass or a lightsaber in the gut.
Originally posted by carthageHow can it be a contest if Yoda didn't participate. 😕
Lmao those quotes are referring to a Lightsaber duel not their brief contest in the force. For all of the fellating over The Exile no one has produced any feats of here that suggest she is an equal of Dooku in the force.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Exactly, if he did he would have ragdolled Dooku as easily as Sidious. Yoda's principles was the only thing preventing Dooku getting pwned.I'm pretty sure Vitiate is capable of mind ****ing them all at once. 😐
First off Sidious choking Dooku while the latter was on his knees and arguably defenseless is not really the same thing as being able to choke him out mid battle. No...he's really not.
If he could why would he not just mind control Scourge and Meetra (or at least try to). Also frankly Vitiate got put on his ass by what amounted to a glorified TK when Revan felt his presence in his mind. If you don't think Maul let alone Dooku and Windu can do that you're kidding yourself.
