Black Lives Matter vs All Lives Matter

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
And? Cars kill more people then anything else, but makes our lives easier..

As Bardock has already said things such as issuing licenses to people. We also continuously research ways to make driving safer. Such as self driving cars, speed limits, round a abouts to reduce amount of awareness needed to one direction. Some cities have even done research to build cities that require less driving to live in the city.

Also how does having a gun make your life easier?

Originally posted by Newjak
We accept the risk because cars have become so vital to making a living in the United States.

As Bardock has already said things such as issuing licenses to people. We also continuously research ways to make driving safer. Such as self driving cars, speed limits, round a abouts to reduce amount of awareness needed to one direction. Some cities have even done research to build cities that require less driving to live in the city.

Also how does having a gun make your life easier?

A gun makes my life easier cause what do I do if someone comes in my house with a gun, who is going to save me?

If I am stopped at a stop light and someone is being car jacked, or myself, who is going to stop it?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
My car analogy destroys this argument to be honest.

Here you go:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1188022/-Accurately-Comparing-Death-Rates-from-Motor-Vehicle-and-Firearm-Use#

-Number of vehicular homicides annually: 300

-Number of homicides committed annually with firearms: approximately 11,000

Further support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
My car analogy destroys this argument to be honest.

We came up with cars to make life easier and they are the #1 cause of death in the word.

Cars are literally the most dangerous thing you can do.

Lets put things in a different light.

Do you know I have over 500 solo skydives and wing suit jumps mind you, and I will probably hit 10,000 in my life and still be safer then driving a car every day of my life..

A skydive has about 8 micromorts per jump, so doing 10000 of them would be 80000 micromort. Driving a car for 100 miles is about 1/2 micromort. Assuming you live 70 years and drive 50 miles each day, that's 25567 days and 1/4 micromort per day so you have about 6391 Micromort. That means driving every day is about 1/10th as dangerous as 10000 skydives.

Originally posted by Robtard
Here you go:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/18/1188022/-Accurately-Comparing-Death-Rates-from-Motor-Vehicle-and-Firearm-Use#

-Number of vehicular homicides annually: 300

-Number of homicides committed annually with firearms: approximately 11,000

Further support: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

Are you aware people are going to kill each other regardless?

You think banning guns is going to do anything?

The criminals will still have them.

Its preposterous to think "Oh ban guns and we have Utopia"

Originally posted by Bardock42
Actually that's not quite true.

A skydive has about 8 micromorts per jump, so doing 10000 of them would be 80000 micromort. Driving a car for 100 miles is about 1/2 micromort. Assuming you live 70 years and drive 50 miles each day, that's 25567 days and 1/4 micromort per day so you have about 6391 Micromort. That means driving every day is about 1/10th as dangerous as 10000 skydives.

I have a reserve chute in case the first one is ****ed.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
A gun makes my life easier cause what do I do if someone comes in my house with a gun, who is going to save me?

If I am stopped at a stop light and someone is being car jacked, or myself, who is going to stop it?

So your entire basis for a gun making your life easier is a few hypothetical situations that may or may not be solved by a gun. Or are unlikely to happen to you in your lifetime?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I have a reserve chute in case the first one is ****ed.

That doesn't matter to this calculation.

I assume most skydives are with reserve chutes, but I suppose if you can find the micromort of a skydive with a reserve chute we can calculate that.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That doesn't matter to this calcualtion.

Its does to me.

Originally posted by Newjak
So you ignored my section on car safety.

You do realize Im talking to 4 different people here, all of which disagree with me. Sorry if I put you last on the to do list.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Are you aware people are going to kill each other regardless?

You think banning guns is going to do anything?

The criminals will still have them.

Its preposterous to think "Oh ban guns and we have Utopia"

So what do you say to that?

And no is saying we will have Utopia there will still be crimes and murders. They will just be harder to carry out because guns make it much easier to commit crimes.

Originally posted by Newjak
So you ignored my section on car safety. I assume this means you've realized it was a crappy comparison to guns. Also because he understand the inherent risks of cars and have taken steps to control who can have access to a car.

So your entire basis for a gun making your life easier is a few hypothetical situations that may or may not be solved by a gun. Or are unlikely to happen to you in your lifetime?

Burglary is not hypothetical. And where do you live, I really would like to know.

Do you live in the south near the border? Do you realize how much illegal immigration crime we have.

We need guns to keep the criminals at bay.

Well anyhow, you can love guns all you like, but the facts show that having loads of guns does not make the US populace safer.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Are you aware people are going to kill each other regardless?

You think banning guns is going to do anything?

The criminals will still have them.

Its preposterous to think "Oh ban guns and we have Utopia"

No one says it will be an utopia. Just a considerably saver place.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
A gun makes my life easier cause what do I do if someone comes in my house with a gun, who is going to save me?

If I am stopped at a stop light and someone is being car jacked, or myself, who is going to stop it?

I don't even think you shouldn't have a gun at all, if you qualify and can pass tests for gun safety and handling you should be able to have certain non-automatic guns, imo.

Originally posted by Newjak
The problem with your claim is that in countries that have banned guns and been proactive in removing them have seen less gun violence. Less criminals using guns.

So what do you say to that?

And no is saying we will have Utopia there will still be crimes and murders. They will just be harder to carry out because guns make it much easier to commit crimes.

We have massive culture diversification here. So no that wont work.

There is no Utopia in a country with 100 different religions and ethnicities.

Or with a media and government hell bent on racial discourse, so we need guns.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No one says it will be an utopia. Just a considerably saver place.

I don't even think you shouldn't have a gun at all, if you qualify and can pass tests for gun safety and handling you should be able to have certain non-automatic guns, imo.

No one is allowed to have auto-matic guns unless you have serious money, clearance.

Can you post evidence on anyone with automatic guns that was good to go killing people?

Its scientifically proven automatic guns are less accurate then semi-automatic guns.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No one is allowed to have auto-matic guns unless you have serious money, clearance. Like that maniac on instagram.

Can you post evidence on anyone with automatic guns that was good to go killing people?

Its scientifically proven automatic guns are less accurate then semi-automatic guns.

You make a good point, semi-automatic guns should also be banned. You can have a musket.

That will never happen though. That infringes on the second amendment.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Burglary is not hypothetical. And where do you live, I really would like to know.

Do you live in the south near the border? Do you realize how much illegal immigration crime we have.

We need guns to keep the criminals at bay.

I'm also saying that even if you possessed a gun in these situations it may not make a difference.

So you're saying you need a gun for protection even though there is no proof you do.

I've lived in the Ghettos of Memphis, I've lived in run down trailer parks in Mississippi and in the ghettos of Columbus. I've been robbed before. It sucks but that doesn't mean I'm going to say guns make the world safer when no data supports that.

You cant get rid of guns. Not in America. Sorry, its just not going to happen. Why do you want to get rid of them anyways? What is it going to change for you, you just said you may never even see it happen in your lifetime, so why do you care? Do you care about all the people that die every .66 seconds around the world. The time it took me to write this, 100 people just died. You are not batting an eyelash or shedding a tear.