I like how posting an actual fight scene that shows Superman's fighting speed gets called "nitpicking a random scene".
Originally posted by marwash22
4 pages. are people actually making a case that Reeve wins this?team has a week's worth of prep and they have a guy on their side who created an alchemy gun in 2 hours.
Reeve dies immediately.
stupid thread.
Yeah, people keep forgetting the "1 week of prep" stip. They also seem to keep discounting both the geniuses and cosmic entities on the team side.
Yeah, most of fiction is quantifiable, like how most animu fights are basically just speed tropes with no set speed being stated or w/e and purty explosions that aren't above gigajoules, until you find an actual quantifiable speed feat, which puts into perspective how fast/powerful they actually are, unless the fight is like say, Yusuke vs Sensui where they zip between mountain ranges and blow them the **** up which can be quantified, which is fairly hard to come by in fiction
One of muh OBD mates scoured through the Fantastic Four comics and only found 10ish quantifiable feats per 50 issues
Or how Bleach goes for most of the decade before it gets a quantifiable hypersonic feat and takes 580 chapters to get another one, with a bunch of supersonic calcs along the way
Or DBZ takes until the Freiza Saga to get it's first planet busting feat, then gets another one at the Buu Saga, then another one ~BOTG, yet how they're planet busters
You can't just make a random quantified statement and go "oh but that doesn't look impressive to me so it isn't", else I could do the same for, well, pretty much any fictional universe ever really. Matter if fact if you were to use your erm, "methodology", most of fiction would only be low end superhuman (love how you haven't even bothered to quantify anything you've presented yet, btw)
Instead of whining about ppl showing actual on screen showings of Reeveman's speed showings in actual fights, maybe you can go ahead and post proof of something that can be seen as a form of a rebuttal?
Also, are you forgetting one week prep stip here? Or are you just ignoring it?
I mean, you seem to be insisting that Superman fights at superspeed, yet when shown proof of HOW he actually fights on screen, you insist on that it is not valid because you say so? At least post evidence of Reeveman fighting at superspeed so that we can at least try and have a debate about it.
And yes "it looks slow, so it is slow" is actually a very valid argument as we can also quantify it by getting actions/second based on visual reference alone.
Originally posted by marwash22
4 pages. are people actually making a case that Reeve wins this?
LMAO. Are people actually making a case that Reeve Superman will actually somehow lose this? Now that's really ****ing funny, dude. Team dies almost instantly. Without kryptonite or magic the one week of prep won't help them much. 👆
Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. Are people actually making a case that Reeve Superman will actually somehow lose this? Now that's really ****ing funny, dude. Team dies almost instantly. Without kryptonite or magic the one week of prep won't help them much. 👆
There are people here who'd argue Asura from Asura's Wrath can lose to the Bleachverse or that Thor can lose to the Narutoverse, Godzilla can lose to the Harry Potter verse or that SSJ3 Goku can beat Gold Saints, you'd be surprised and appalled at what lengths people are willing to go to to attempt to get their way here
Originally posted by Star428
LMAO. Are people actually making a case that Reeve Superman will actually somehow lose this? Now that's really ****ing funny, dude. Team dies almost instantly. Without kryptonite or magic the one week of prep won't help them much. 👆
Hancock alone can keep Superman occupied for quite a bit. Enough time for the telepaths to scramble his brains. Odin is also on the team,, now there's magic for you.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
There are people here who'd argue Asura from Asura's Wrath can lose to the Bleachverse or that Thor can lose to the Narutoverse, Godzilla can lose to the Harry Potter verse or that SSJ3 Goku can beat Gold Saints, you'd be surprised and appalled at what lengths people are willing to go to to attempt to get their way here
You mean like ignoring posted clips that prove Superman doesn't fight at superspeed?
Originally posted by juggerman
Does Prof X have any feats of mentally affecting anything other than Humans or the off shoot of humans(mutants)? I ask because I don't think we can just assume X can affect Superman without some proof.
IOW, you want to grant Superman TP immunity, even though he has zero feats to back it up.
Originally posted by juggerman
Does Prof X have any feats of mentally affecting anything other than Humans or the off shoot of humans(mutants)? I ask because I don't think we can just assume X can affect Superman without some proof.
You're thinking of this backwards. Prof X. has been shown to affect humans and enhanced humans, even so far as having a battle of wills with a cosmic entity (Phoenix).
Superman has zero, ZERO feats of TP resistance.
In this scenario, it's more logical to assume Prof. X can TP attack a kryptonian because he actually has feats supporting him attacking other beings... than it is to assume Superman can block TP attacks because he has never, not once shown any skill to do so.
IOW I don't want to grant Prof X powers he doesn't have. Why do you?
None of us are giving Prof. X powers he doesn't have. Part of Prof. X's powerset is that he's able to attack someone's mind. He has proven himself with that power so we're not granting him any powers he has not displayed before.
You're the one giving Superman powers that aren't supported by feats.
Besides, even if we disregard Prof. X, will you claim that Superman is also immune to Dark Phoenix?
Originally posted by FrothByte
You're thinking of this backwards. Prof X. has been shown to affect humans and enhanced humans, even so far as having a battle of wills with a cosmic entity (Phoenix).Superman has zero, ZERO feats of TP resistance.
In this scenario, it's more logical to assume Prof. X can TP attack a kryptonian because he actually has feats supporting him attacking other beings... than it is to assume Superman can block TP attacks because he has never, not once shown any skill to do so.
Phoenix wasn't a cosmic entity in the XMCU.
I'm not suggesting he can resist it at all. I'm asking how can we say X can affect him at all? If X can't affect an alien mind then there is nothing for Kal to resist
Originally posted by FrothByte
None of us are giving Prof. X powers he doesn't have. Part of Prof. X's powerset is that he's able to attack someone's mind. He has proven himself with that power so we're not granting him any powers he has not displayed before.You're the one giving Superman powers that aren't supported by feats.
Besides, even if we disregard Prof. X, will you claim that Superman is also immune to Dark Phoenix?
And Hal Jordan's power set is to create "anything he can think of" yet people like Silent have argued he can't regardless of what his power set is. Why does X get special treatment?
Again I'm not giving Supes anything. I do not think he could resist a TP assault. I'm just not convinced X can provide one on a alien
What's the best feat Phoenix has
Originally posted by juggerman
Phoenix wasn't a cosmic entity in the XMCU.I'm not suggesting he can resist it at all. I'm asking how can we say X can affect him at all? If X can't affect an alien mind then there is nothing for Kal to resist
If Phoenix wasn't a cosmic entity, or at the very least an alien entity then what was she?
Superman was brought up by humans. He thinks like a human, he behaves like a human, he talks like a human, he has emotions like a human. Telepathy is all about affecting one's thinking process. If you can prove that Superman doesn't think like a human then you have a case.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If Phoenix wasn't a cosmic entity, or at the very least an alien entity then what was she?Superman was brought up by humans. He thinks like a human, he behaves like a human, he talks like a human, he has emotions like a human. Telepathy is all about affecting one's thinking process. If you can prove that Superman doesn't think like a human then you have a case.
It was like a split personality type thing iirc. Not once was it hinted at that the power came from anywhere besides Jean herself.
Superman being raised by humans has nothing to do with his biology. His mind, like the rest of him, operates differently than ours. I'm not talking about how he processes information exactly. But the way his brain just is. And iirc Charles has had trouble holding people in the past and they were well within his established power set. All I'm asking some sort of evidence Charles can affect alien beings. Without it I don't see how we can just assume he can
Originally posted by juggerman
It was like a split personality type thing iirc. Not once was it hinted at that the power came from anywhere besides Jean herself.Superman being raised by humans has nothing to do with his biology. His mind, like the rest of him, operates differently than ours. I'm not talking about how he processes information exactly. But the way his brain just is. And iirc Charles has had trouble holding people in the past and they were well within his established power set. All I'm asking some sort of evidence Charles can affect alien beings. Without it I don't see how we can just assume he can
No, Superman has proven that his physicality is different but not how his mind works. If you can prove that his mind works differently than ours then you have a case. Otherwise it's just guesswork.
After all, Superman has been proven he can breed with a human. His mind seems to react to the same stimuli as humans do.
Name me people whom Prof. X has had trouble containing?
But heck even if you don't want to use Prof X. there's also Scarlet Witch, and she's been proven that she can mess with alien minds.
Also, the Phoenix being just an alter ego to Jean is such a ridiculous understatement.