Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Originally posted by juggerman

My statement was in regards to Xavier's ability not to Superman's immunity. Look at it this way: If I said Black Widow's punches couldn't hurt Abomination would that now mean Abomination has an immunity to punches? That's kinda how you're treating this

Abom has plenty feats showing he can tank blunt trauma attacks far more powerful than Black Widow's punches. He HAS feats.

Again, Superman has no feats showing he's immune to TP. Or if you prefer it said on your terms, there is no proof that Prof. X's TP doesn't work on aliens.

Look, there's proof Prof. X has TP and has used it quite powerfully. If you want to prove that it will fail against a certain opponent the burden of proof is on you.

Why is it on you? Because we already proved Xavier has TP.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Abom has plenty feats showing he can tank blunt trauma attacks far more powerful than Black Widow's punches. He HAS feats.

Again, Superman has no feats showing he's immune to TP. Or if you prefer it said on your terms, there is no proof that Prof. X's TP doesn't work on aliens.

Look, there's proof Prof. X has TP and has used it quite powerfully. If you want to prove that it will fail against a certain opponent the burden of proof is on you.

Why is it on you? Because we already proved Xavier has TP.

That's my point. Just because BW can't do something doesn't mean others can't. Same thing here. Just because Xavier can't, doesn't make Supes totally immune

Here's the problem with that: We don't have to prove he can't do something. That would be proving a negative. You have to prove he can. A part of that would be proving he can indeed affect aliens

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, Superman has proven that his physicality is different but not how his mind works. If you can prove that his mind works differently than ours then you have a case. Otherwise it's just guesswork.

After all, Superman has been proven he can breed with a human. His mind seems to react to the same stimuli as humans do.

LOL. So what? IT's also been shown that his mind is much stronger than humans or else he wouldn't have been able to make Lois forget what he wanted her to forget when he kissed her at end of the second film. Funny how you like to ignore that.

Originally posted by juggerman
There's no proof it works on any other wordly body. This is not specific to Superman

Do you have any proof to back this up, or is it just more fan speculation on your part?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you have any proof to back this up, or is it just more fan speculation on your part?

Do I have any proof Xavier has never affected any aliens? Yes In fact I do.

Originally posted by juggerman
Do I have any proof Xavier has never affected any aliens? Yes In fact I do.

All we have to do is prove that Prof X has TP, you are the ones calling into question whether or not his TP will work on Superman and as such the burden of proof is on you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
All we have to do is prove that Prof X has TP, you are the ones calling into question whether or not it will work on Superman and as such the burden of proof is on you.

So a no limit's fallacy then? That's cool if you want to go that route I guess.

Question: Can Xavier TP Xenomorphs? Hulk? Imhotep? Galactus? Dr. Manhattan? Zeus? Morgan Freeman god? Just wanna know where you draw the line if you do at all.

Originally posted by juggerman
So a no limit's fallacy then? That's cool if you want to go that route I guess.

Question: Can Xavier TP Xenomorphs? Hulk? Imhotep? Galactus? Dr. Manhattan? Zeus? Morgan Freeman god? Just wanna know where you draw the line if you do at all.

It's not a no limits fallacy as Prof X has proven to an extremely powerful TP user and Superman has zero feats of TP resistance or immunity.

An example of the no limits fallacy would be; since Captain America can lift a motorcycle, he can lift the Empire State Building.

Originally posted by juggerman
Do I have any proof Xavier has never affected any aliens? Yes In fact I do.

Ok, what's the proof?

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. So what? IT's also been shown that his mind is much stronger than humans or else he wouldn't have been able to make Lois forget what he wanted her to forget when he kissed her at end of the second film. Funny how you like to ignore that.

So if someone can punch really hard it's automatically assumed that he can also tank punches harder than others?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, what's the proof?

His "proof" is that Prof X never got a chance to try. IE it's not really proof that he can't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's not a no limits fallacy as Prof X has proven to an extremely powerful TP user and Superman has zero feats of TP resistance or immunity.

An example of the no limits fallacy would be; since Captain America can lift a motorcycle, he can lift the Empire State Building.

It is tho. You claim X can do something he has never shown the ability to based on him doing it to beings not relatable to Supes.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok, what's the proof?

The proof is the films themselves

Originally posted by Silent Master
His "proof" is that Prof X never got a chance to try. IE it's not really proof that he can't.

Yet you have no proof that he can. My proof is that he hasn't and therefore cannot be assumed to be able to. Like Wolverine has not shown the ability to regrow an arm or survive without a head. Using your logic we would have to say "well he has a powerful healing factor so uh prove he can't".

Not seeing how that makes sense

Originally posted by juggerman
The proof is the films themselves

So basically what you're saying is because there were no aliens in the X-men movies that that proves Xavier can't use TP on aliens?

You know how silly that sounds right?

Originally posted by juggerman
Yet you have no proof that he can. My proof is that he hasn't and therefore cannot be assumed to be able to. Like Wolverine has not shown the ability to regrow an arm or survive without a head. Using your logic we would have to say "well he has a powerful healing factor so uh prove he can't".

Not seeing how that makes sense

Your analysis is false though.

We're saying Xavier can use TP against Superman. Is there proof that Xavier can use TP? Yes there is. We're not granting him some completely new power (like regrowing a limb).

We're attributing to him a power that he already has.

You saying that he can't do it to an alien because he never has is like saying Paquiao's punches won't hurt a woman because we've never seen him hit a woman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically what you're saying is because there were no aliens in the X-men movies that that proves Xavier can't use TP on aliens?

You know how silly that sounds right?

How exactly is that silly? Xavier has no feats of mentally affecting aliens yet we just assume he can? Again that's like assuming Wolverine can regrow a head simply because he can heal. You are giving X feats he does not have

Now to clarify, I am not claiming X can or cannot do it. I am stating that since he has never shown the ability to do so, we cannot just grant it to him because it we want it to be so

Originally posted by juggerman
How exactly is that silly? Xavier has no feats of mentally affecting aliens yet we just assume he can? Again that's like assuming Wolverine can regrow a head simply because he can heal. You are giving X feats he does not have

Now to clarify, I am not claiming X can or cannot do it. I am stating that since he has never shown the ability to do so, we cannot just grant it to him because it we want it to be so

So Superman has no feats of resisting TP so we just assume he can?

Again, your Wolverine argument is false because you're asking him to do something completely different to what he's done before. A more apt comparison would be like you saying

"Wolverine can't heal from a cut made by a longsword because we've never seen him cut by a longsword. Only a katana, but a katana isn't a longsword so there's no proof he can heal from a longsword injury".

Originally posted by FrothByte
Your analysis is false though.

We're saying Xavier can use TP against Superman. Is there proof that Xavier can use TP? Yes there is. We're not granting him some completely new power (like regrowing a limb).

We're attributing to him a power that he already has.

You saying that he can't do it to an alien because he never has is like saying Paquiao's punches won't hurt a woman because we've never seen him hit a woman.

You are giving him feats he doesn't have. Regrow info things is not a new power for Wolverine. He regrew his bone claws.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So Superman has no feats of resisting TP so we just assume he can?

Again, your Wolverine argument is false because you're asking him to do something completely different to what he's done before. A more apt comparison would be saying

"Wolverine can't heal from a paper cut because we've never seen him heal from a paper cut".

Again I never claimed Superman can resist TP

My Wolverine example fits perfectly but I can come up with others if needed