Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, Superman has proven that his physicality is different but not how his mind works. If you can prove that his mind works differently than ours then you have a case. Otherwise it's just guesswork.

After all, Superman has been proven he can breed with a human. His mind seems to react to the same stimuli as humans do.

Name me people whom Prof. X has had trouble containing?

But heck even if you don't want to use Prof X. there's also Scarlet Witch, and she's been proven that she can mess with alien minds.

Also, the Phoenix being just an alter ego to Jean is such a ridiculous understatement.

His mind is a part of him. His entire body is alien including his mind. No evidence X can affect it in the least.

You do have a point about the breeding tho but unfortunately that isn't a part of the original films. OP didn't include Returns.

I can name two. Shaw and Raven. Raven I think he was weakened for but I'm not 100% on that. Shaw on the other hand he had trouble holding because he was so powerful after absorbing the nuke energy

SW can affect Kal imo. I'm not arguing that

Not really. X said something about a darker part of her mind that manifested and strarted calling itself the Phoenix. What else would we call it?

Bottom line is that Superman has zero feats of resisting TP.

Bottom-er line is that Xavier has zero feats of affecting alien minds.

Originally posted by juggerman
Bottom-er line is that Xavier has zero feats of affecting alien minds.

Do you have any proof that having an alien mind makes you immune to TP?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you have any proof that having an alien mind makes you immune to TP?

Do you have any proof Xavier can affect an alien mind in any way in the first place? Don't need resistance to something he can't do

Originally posted by juggerman
Bottom-er line is that Xavier has zero feats of affecting alien minds.

Xavier may not have gone up against aliens but at least he has feats of actually using TP which is more than what you can say for Superman - who has ZERO feats of resisting TP from humans or anyone else.

Basically, we're debating with a glass half full, you're debating with a completely empty glass.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Xavier may not have gone up against aliens but at least he has feats of actually using TP which is more than what you can say for Superman - who has ZERO feats of resisting TP from humans or anyone else.

Basically, we're debating with a glass half full, you're debating with a completely empty glass.

You're granting Xavier powers he's never shown. Basically you're giving him a no limits fallacy.

I've stated several times now that I do not think this version of Superman has any TP resistance at all. Why do you keep trying to pretend that is my stance?

Originally posted by juggerman
Do you have any proof Xavier can affect an alien mind in any way in the first place? Don't need resistance to something he can't do

I'll take that as a no, you don't have any proof. which means your entire argument relies on fan speculation and fan speculation has never been accepted as proof on this board.

Originally posted by juggerman
You're granting Xavier powers he's never shown. Basically you're giving him a no limits fallacy.

I've stated several times now that I do not think this version of Superman has any TP resistance at all. Why do you keep trying to pretend that is my stance?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because you're clearly implying it.

I'm not at all. Read what I've said regarding the issue

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'll take that as a no, you don't have any proof. which means your entire argument relies on fan speculation and fan speculation has never been accepted as proof on this board.

Still waiting on your proof.....

Originally posted by juggerman
Still waiting on your proof.....

You're the one claiming that being an alien makes Superman immune to TP, thus the burden is on you.

But if it will make you feel better, I can easily post proof that Prof X has TP.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're the one claiming that being an alien makes Superman immune to TP, thus the burden is on you.

But if it will make you feel better, I can easily post proof that Prof X has TP.

I never said it makes him immune to TP. Another strawman

Great. Now all you have to do is prove his TP works on other wordly beings

Implying that Lightsabers wouldn't cut through Superman's fleshy Kryptonian insides...

Originally posted by juggerman
Bottom-er line is that Xavier has zero feats of affecting alien minds.

Thats implication.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Implying that Lightsabers wouldn't cut through Superman's fleshy Kryptonian insides...

Did I imply that?

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats implication.

My statement was in regards to Xavier's ability not to Superman's immunity. Look at it this way: If I said Black Widow's punches couldn't hurt Abomination would that now mean Abomination has an immunity to punches? That's kinda how you're treating this

Originally posted by juggerman
I never said it makes him immune to TP. Another strawman

Great. Now all you have to do is prove his TP works on other wordly beings

No, all we have to do is prove that Prof X has TP, if the other side wants to claim it won't work on someone, then they have to provide proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, all we have to do is prove that Prof X has TP, if the other side wants to claim it won't work on someone, then they have to provide proof.

There's no proof it works on any other wordly body. This is not specific to Superman

LMAO@"Reeve Supes has zero feats of TP resistance". Of course Reeve Superman has ZERO feats of TP resistance because no one has tried TPing him. Some people are so dumb. Fact is, Superman's mind is much stronger than anything X has ever encountered. To just automatically assume his TP will work on him "just because he has telepathy powers" is quite stupid. It's much more plausible to assume that since Reeve Superman is based-on Superman from the comics (who has shown very strong TP resistance) that the movie version will have it also.

I just remembered Xavier couldn't TP Emma Frost while she was in her diamond form but had no trouble while she was normal. That's 3 times he's had trouble