Superman(Reeves) vs MCU, DCCU, Arrowverse, XMCU, Star Wars and Hancock

Originally posted by juggerman
Yet you have no proof that he can. My proof is that he hasn't and therefore cannot be assumed to be able to. Like Wolverine has not shown the ability to regrow an arm or survive without a head. Using your logic we would have to say "well he has a powerful healing factor so uh prove he can't".

Not seeing how that makes sense

Again, We have proven that Prof X has TP and can use is to attack, thus we have met our burden. you are the one claiming it might not work because Superman is an alien, thus you have a burden to back your stance.

Originally posted by juggerman
You are giving him feats he doesn't have. Regrow info things is not a new power for Wolverine. He regrew his bone claws.

Incorrect as Prof X does have feats of using TP, you're claiming that Superman being an alien will somehow protect him from Prof X's TP.

Thus the burden is on you.

Originally posted by juggerman
Again I never claimed Superman can resist TP

My Wolverine example fits perfectly but I can come up with others if needed

No, your Wolverine example would be akin to me saying

"Prof. X can use TP to instantaneously kill someone because he's already demonstrated he can stop someone in his tracks with TP".

What I'm saying, that Prof. X can TP Superman until proven otherwise is like saying "Wolverine can heal from a wound made by a chainsaw even though it has never been shown... unless you can prove he can't heal from a chainsaw wound".

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, We have proven that Prof X has TP and can use is to attack, thus we have met our burden. you are the one claiming it might not work because Superman is an alien, thus you have a burden to back your stance.

But you haven't proven it would work on aliens. The problem is you want to claim it would with no proof. I'm simply stating we cannot know that since we have no evidence

Originally posted by juggerman
But you haven't proven it would work on aliens. The problem is you want to claim it would with no proof. I'm simply stating we cannot know that since we have no evidence

You are the one claiming that it either might or won't work on aliens, that means the burden is on you.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Incorrect as Prof X does have feats of using TP, you're claiming that Superman being an alien will somehow protect him from Prof X's TP.

Thus the burden is on you.

I have feats of Juggernaut breaking everything he runs into while powered. Can he break adamantium? Or Cap's shield? Or Superman's leg?

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, your Wolverine example would be akin to me saying

"Prof. X can use TP to instantaneously kill someone because he's already demonstrated he can stop someone in his tracks with TP".

What I'm saying, that Prof. X can TP Superman until proven otherwise is like saying "Wolverine can heal from a wound made by a chainsaw even though it has never been shown... unless you can prove he can't heal from a chainsaw wound".

No it wouldn't. We've seen Wolverine regrow parts. A head is a part. Same concept

Originally posted by juggerman
But you haven't proven it would work on aliens. The problem is you want to claim it would with no proof. I'm simply stating we cannot know that since we have no evidence

Would you want to simply get Imp to make a ruling?
In the previous battles we've seen here I believe we've always went with "TP works on someone unless proven that someone has TP resistance".

Originally posted by Silent Master
You are the one claiming that it either might or won't work on aliens, that means the burden is on you.

The only proof is that it's never happened and therefore we cannot assume it would

Originally posted by FrothByte
Would you want to simply get Imp to make a ruling?
In the previous battles we've seen here I believe we've always went with "TP works on someone unless proven that someone has TP resistance".

I'll go with whatever the ruling says but I would ask if that goes for beings like Galactus and Freeman God. Both have no TP resistance feats

Originally posted by juggerman
The only proof is that it's never happened and therefore we cannot assume it would

Only Prof X has plenty of feats showing that he can use his TP and Superman has zero feats of resisting TP, thus if you want to claim that Prof X's TP won't work.

The burden is on you.

I asked for the ruling and will abide by what Imp says. I will refrain from adding until it's been settled

Originally posted by juggerman
I have feats of Juggernaut breaking everything he runs into while powered. Can he break adamantium? Or Cap's shield? Or Superman's leg?

Those things have feats that are higher than what Juggernaut has been shown to destroy, does Superman have feats of resisting TP that is more powerful than Prof X's?

I don't even know why we're singling out Xavier. There are at least 3 powerful TPs on the team not to mention others with more exotic mind powers. Even if we were to assume that Superman's psyche was tougher than a human's, there's no way he can survive the combined mental assault of all the psychics on the other team.

Especially not if he were fighting tooth and nail with the likes of Hancock, Vision, Thor, Zod, Faora, Cavill Superman, Flash, QS, etc. all tag teaming him.

Im Assuming "Phoenix Jean Grey" can be used? She Out TP'ed Prof. X.

DoFP Quicksilver Runs at Superman and Taps him with the Mind control sceptre before he can react.

/thread.

It's pointless to argue whether or not Xavier can affect Superman, because neither side is going to relent. Besides, the team also has Scarlet Witch, the Mind Gem, and Grodd (a telepathic gorilla, who gained his powers from extra-dimensional dark energy). And that's ignoring the week's prep, the ridiculously intelligent inventors/scientists/strategists on the team, enormous amounts of resources, and everything else the team has going for them.

Originally posted by Star428
LMAO@"Reeve Supes has zero feats of TP resistance". Of course Reeve Superman has ZERO feats of TP resistance because no one has tried TPing him. Some people are so dumb. Fact is, Superman's mind is much stronger than anything X has ever encountered. To just automatically assume his TP will work on him "just because he has telepathy powers" is quite stupid. It's much more plausible to assume that since Reeve Superman is based-on Superman from the comics (who has shown very strong TP resistance) that the movie version will have it also.

To assume Superman has telepathic resistance without feats to support it, simply because his comicbook counterpart does, is even stupider. At least there is a precedence for Xavier actually displaying TP onscreen. And it is hardly like Xavier is the only person with TP/Mind control powers on the team.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
DoFP Quicksilver Runs at Superman and Taps him with the Mind control sceptre before he can react.

/thread.

This, or a number of other ways the team, WITH A WEEK'S WORTH OF PREP, could come up with a win.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Only Prof X has plenty of feats showing that he can use his TP and Superman has zero feats of resisting TP, thus if you want to claim that Prof X's TP won't work.

The burden is on you.

You claim it will work on an alien. Burden is on you that it will

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't even know why we're singling out Xavier. There are at least 3 powerful TPs on the team not to mention others with more exotic mind powers. Even if we were to assume that Superman's psyche was tougher than a human's, there's no way he can survive the combined mental assault of all the psychics on the other team.

Especially not if he were fighting tooth and nail with the likes of Hancock, Vision, Thor, Zod, Faora, Cavill Superman, Flash, QS, etc. all tag teaming him.

Again no one is claiming Superman has TP resistance. Well at least I'm not. I'm arguing X has no feats to suggest he can affect aliens at all

This isn't just about Superman. I would argue the same if it were Xavier vs Wolf Predator. Or him vs Drax

Originally posted by Inhuman
Im Assuming "Phoenix Jean Grey" can be used? She Out TP'ed Prof. X.

But we'd run into the same problem as Xavier. No feats on aliens.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
DoFP Quicksilver Runs at Superman and Taps him with the Mind control sceptre before he can react.

/thread.

This is a viable option and one not reliant on giving abilities to people they haven't been shown to have. Kudos 👆

Kryptonians are aliens true, but their physiology is so similar that nothing strange ever called Clark out to the government(you can't say he never had a doctor's visit or anything even if it wasn't shown). They look human, sound human, can speak Earth languages, eat Earth food. Probably have their organs in the exact same place, etc... If all that is the same, why would their brain be anymore resistant to TP than a normal person?

Originally posted by KingD19
Kryptonians are aliens true, but their physiology is so similar that nothing strange ever called Clark out to the government(you can't say he never had a doctor's visit or anything even if it wasn't shown). They look human, sound human, can speak Earth languages, eat Earth food. Probably have their organs in the exact same place, etc... If all that is the same, why would their brain be anymore resistant to TP than a normal person?

We actually can't say if he visited a doctor or not because it would be likely that the Kents would want to keep him away from doctors to hide his origin. But that's neither here nor there. The point is there is nothing that points to Xavier being able to affect aliens. That alone should keep it from being used in a vs match.

Scarlet Witch and the Mind Stone otth are viable tactics