Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
People bring it up because it's amusing to bring up, basketball hater.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ Yes really. It depends on where you place Revan compared to Legends Pre-ANH! Vader.
How? Starkiller has superior Barrier, TK, and Lightning feats. His accolades of raw, and current power isn't trailing behind Revan's either.
Pre-ANH Vader was collapsing Cathedral's while half-dead, willing himself back from the dead, sported sorcery powerful enough to summon demons of pure darkside energy, and Barrier's strong enough to casually slap away laser fire from canons - he's more than comparable to Revan as a Force user.
Darth Nihilus was TK'ing a fleet and consuming planets, and mando wars! Revan had a superior command of the force. Having a superior command of the force to Darth Nihilus as of the Mando Wars, then becoming far more powerful, are >> accolades.
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I can use uberexaggerated feats, too.
Half dead Malgus was stomping building-collapsers, Revan kind of willed himself from the dead too, Revan can easily deflect lightning capable of instantaneously ashing herself and Scourge/Meetra. Vader has the TK edge, though I'm even skeptical of that, but Revan has force edges in all other areas.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Darth Nihilus was TK'ing a fleet and consuming planets, and mando wars! Revan had a superior command of the force.Having a superior command of the force to Darth Nihilus as of the Mando Wars, then becoming far more powerful, are >> accolades.
Nihilus feats are under ambiguous circumstances, tbh. Not to mention, having a superior command of the Force doesn't necessarily mean more powerful. I want concrete feats and accolades, otherwise - others have stated Vader > Yoda in the Force. So even then, Galen is comparable.
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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Half dead Malgus was stomping building-collapsers
A building is nothing compared to a Cathedral, LAWL.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ Revan kind of willed himself from the dead too
Good for him, doesn't actually negate my point though.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Revan can easily deflect lightning capable of instantaneously ashing herself and Scourge/Meetra.
Is that really superior, on a purely destructive scale - to Vader deflecting the destructive Force of a laser canon with a simple gesture?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ Vader has the TK edge
Vader having the TK edge isn't even a question, tbh. Call me when revan starts utterly pulverizing some of the most powerful Force Sensitives in the galaxy with telekinetic shoves.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ but Revan has force edges in all other areas.
Considering this is a Pre-Prime Vader, I would agree. Though, I'm not sold on the idea of him having the superior Force defenses. Doesn't matter though - Starkiller has superior feats to Revan on his own.
Nihilus feats are under ambiguous circumstances, tbh.
Not to mention, having a superior command of the Force doesn't necessarily mean more powerful
Personally, I would classify it as an indication of both - but mainly the former.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Though, I'm not sold on the idea of him having the superior Force defenses.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LMFAO. You can't dismiss feats on that scale since they are "ambiguous." You need proof they shouldn't be taken at face value.
Well, we are in the middle of a debate, LAWL. I don't put all my chips on the table off the bat. When Skills presses the issue, I will further reinforce my stance.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Do you consider precise, intentional telekinesis as a demonstration of one's "command of the Force" or raw power?
Possibly both, possibly just strength in the Force.
For instance, Kyp Durrron has performed feats not even some fully trained Jedi Masters could replicate when he only understood the Force as hokey bullshit - I know we're not going to say his "command" of the Force is on the level of someone who been studying it all of their life - mastering it to a degree, because he performed a feat of adroit precision and power, far beyond their own as a n00b. That would be just retarded beyond levels known to man.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nihilus feats are under ambiguous circumstances, tbh. Not to mention, having a superior command of the Force doesn't necessarily mean more powerful. I want concrete feats and accolades, otherwise - others have stated Vader > Yoda in the Force. So even then, Galen is comparable.
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"Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations. While one may reasonably expect someone fallen to the dark side to employ Force lightning against a foe, no one expects a fleet of starships commanded by Sith Lords consuming entire planets. Nor would Nihilus tolerate such a rival and competitor for his sustenance. Given the Sith Lord's unique background, it is not the type of ability that would be taught to an apprentice."
Power Beyond Belief: Using Ultra-Powerful Sith Lords in Saga Edition
"The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V."
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords
The first accolade isn't ambiguous at all, and it can be reasonably assumed via logical inference from the game that the 2nd was done through the force. Him also bringing up his fleet is the only truly ambiguous one, though tearing up his capital ship from the mass shadows of Malachor is immense enough. Revan surpassed such command of the force by the Mando Wars, kek.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
A building is nothing compared to a Cathedral, LAWL.
Lmfao. Alderaan buildings >/= Vader cathedral. And similarly, that jedi was nothing compared to half-dead Malgus, who'd be reasonably stomped by someone like Peak! Revan.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Good for him, doesn't actually negate my point though.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Is that really superior, on a purely destructive scale - to Vader deflecting the destructive Force of a laser canon with a simple gesture?
Given the ease with which Revan did it, possibly? The power of the force in substantiation to the power of sw tech is hard to quantify.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Vader having the TK edge isn't even a question, tbh. Call me when revan starts utterly pulverizing some of the most powerful Force Sensitives in the galaxy with telekinetic shoves.
Funny, because I remember him doing that.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Considering this is a Pre-Prime Vader, I would agree. Though, I'm not sold on the idea o him having the superior Force defenses. Doesn't matter though - Starkiller has superior feats to Revan on his own.
Given that Nihilus, Revan's vast inferior, has comparable feats of sheer power to Starkiller, I'd be inclined to disagree.
Just some things to note:
1.) Revan channeling enough energy to destroy all life in a 1km radius, even if it was a relatively gradual process (took like a minute), is an enormously impressive Tutaminis feat.
2.) The fact Revan willed himself back from the dead is honestly one of the most OP things in Star Wars. Not even the likes of Exar Kun or Palpatine could have / had done what he did there.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Just some things to note:1.) Revan channeling enough energy to destroy all life in a 1km radius, even if it was a relatively gradual process (took like a minute), is an enormously impressive Tutaminis feat.
PoD Bane was channelling enough energy to burn Ruusan to a cinder, kek.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
2.) The fact Revan willed himself back from the dead is honestly one of the most OP things in Star Wars. Not even the likes of Exar Kun or Palpatine could have / had done what he did there.
Simus survived as a head, lol. Also Sion, biatch.
@Skillz: 👆 And honestly, while we have nothing that says its a demonstration of power (since no one has ever done it before), it's clearly an insane feat of willpower and then Force power to keep his body functions and whatnot (which spirit Revan said should have faded to dust) still functional post-death.