Zeus (Marvel) vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
One question: about Flash's steal speed ability: How exactly DD is going to adapt if you take away the speed/kinetic energy to his cells, molecules, atoms and subatomic particles down to quantum level?

That is something that DD cannot adapt to, because there is no energy transfer here, it is merely absorption of DD's kinetic energy. The same is question with Waverider and his time control/manipulation-DD cannot adapt to time manipulation he can only adapt to energy and that is crucial key here, the real question is can Waverider change time by time traveling into the past and prevent DD's creation in the first place-yes or not?
It all depends on this.
Yes, Waverider can and does time travel but can he change timelines, pasts, futures and everything else related directly or indirectly to time?

DD cannot adapt to stealing speed/kinetic energy thing at all.
You cannot adapt to something that is taking away/stealing your speed-because it is not an attack you simply absorb speed/kinetic energy from your opponent.

Originally posted by carver9
Because you use lifting/ pushing fts when it suits you (Superman move a thousand Earth weights). Please provide some strength fts.

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually it's not. Superman could easily lift a mountain yet DD bypassed both his strength and durability when he broke his arm.

Remember, per H1 words, characters strength fluctuates, so that probably wasn't Superman at his 1000 Earth weight pushing self. Per H1, that's when we have to look at the strength showings displayed in the comic during the time the two individuals fought. What strength fts did Superman do before or after facing Doomsday. For all we know, he could've been walking around with 1000 tons strength. I learned this from the master himself. H1.

Originally posted by h1a8
I accept all strength feats. Striking, pushing, lifting, breaking, etc. I'm not bias.

So what strength fts does Doomsday have?

Originally posted by carver9
So what strength fts does Doomsday have?

Originally posted by h1a8
why? How is it relevant? Striking, pressing feats are good too.

It is relevant, because Zeus bullied a guy that was capable of incinerating more than a planet with a single punch. Now that you realize that you do not always need to provide lifting feats to determine a characters strength level, you should avoid the double standard in the future when it applies to the character that you are arguing versus the character that someone else is arguing. This is of course something that has been sent your way multiple time, and still ignored by you.

Love how dd can adapt to speed steal and time stop but has yet to adapt to a jab or uppercut...hilarious

OMG...

How in the hell has this thread gone on for so long??

This is pure spite against HP Doomsday; unbridled spite...

Zeus is a High End Skyfather; he one shot kills this version of Doomsday...game over.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
OMG...

How in the hell has this thread gone on for so long??

This is pure spite against HP Doomsday; unbridled spite...

Zeus is a High End Skyfather; he one shot kills this version of Doomsday...game over.

It really hinges on Darkseid. Regardless of whatever anyone says about him, he was regarded to be somewhere between High Sky Father-Elder God level. This isn't something that's new. He was written to be an approximate match for Galactus in power. However he often uses Avatars of himself to interact with others, so there is no solid proof that Doomsday beat up on the real deal. This is one of the reasons that this has gone on for so long. If it were the real Darkseid though, I think that he was gimped in the fight, and that he didn't use his powers to their utmost degree.

What did post crisis Darkseid(circa the mid 90's when this happened) ever do on the level of Galactus? Remember this is the same version that used his OE to try to kill Superman and failed even after he had specifically attuned the beams to Supermans own molecular structure. Oh and before anyone says it: no, the reason given as to why he survived was not some "he is important to the universe" stuff. Darkseid just straight up failed to kill Superman.

Originally posted by Surtur
What did post crisis Darkseid(circa the mid 90's when this happened) ever do on the level of Galactus? Remember this is the same version that used his OE to try to kill Superman and failed even after he had specifically attuned the beams to Supermans own molecular structure. Oh and before anyone says it: no, the reason given as to why he survived was not some "he is important to the universe" stuff. Darkseid just straight up failed to kill Superman.

I read that Kirby's original vision of Darkseid was to be a character capable of rivaling Galactus in power. I'm not certain of the scene that you are talking about, but was it mentioned that the Darkseid that attempted to kill Superman was the real one and not an Avatar? I'll leave the rest up to someone more versed on the New Gods. I also read that the New Gods weren't affected by the Pre Crisis, but I don't know how far it goes, or how true that statement was.

Zeus has done nothing to suggest he can defeat Doomsday for a majority. Whatsoever.

Originally posted by panthergod
Zeus has done nothing to suggest he can defeat Doomsday for a majority. Whatsoever.

More like Doomsday has done nothing to convince many that Zeus wouldn't just send him away with a wave of his hand. Doomsday is fairly one dimensional when compared to a Sky Father. Your reasoning is in line with H1's reasoning about giving proof where none is needed. If it is, then what made you believe that Zeus even has to get into a physical match up with Doomsday? He really doesn't, and the OP never states that this was limited to H2H combat.

Originally posted by Stoic
More like Doomsday has done nothing to convince many that Zeus wouldn't just send him away with a wave of his hand. Doomsday is fairly one dimensional when compared to a Sky Father. Your reasoning is in line with H1's reasoning about giving proof where none is needed. If it is, then what made you believe that Zeus even has to get into a physical match up with Doomsday? He really doesn't, and the OP never states that this was limited to H2H combat.

So where are those combat showings where he does more than punch or blast?

Originally posted by panthergod
Sure, Zeus can quite easily run away from a direct confrontation he knows he would lose. We agree on that point.

So where are those combat showings where he does more than punch or blast?

You're basing Zeus running from an inferior on what exactly? Hera made it clear as day when she told the Hulk how easily Zeus could deal with him, and even while dimming his power he could have easily killed him. What is this about how weak he made Superman appear, or is this more about how easily he dealt with Darkseid? Doomsday is over his head against Zeus. This thread was meant to attempt to drag Zeus down to DD's level. Unfortunately it didn't work out as planned.

Go back and look at what Hera says to the Hulk concerning his chances. And lets not pretend that DD did anything physically above what the Hulk of that era was capable of. DD like the Hulk is simply too one dimensional to take on Zeus.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're basing Zeus running from an inferior on what exactly? Hera made it clear as day when she told the Hulk how easily Zeus could deal with him, and even while dimming his power he could have easily killed him. What is this about how weak he made Superman appear, or is this more about how easily he dealt with Darkseid? Doomsday is over his head against Zeus. This thread was meant to attempt to drag Zeus down to DD's level. Unfortunately it didn't work out as planned.

Go back and look at what Hera says to the Hulk concerning his chances. And lets not pretend that DD did anything physically above what the era Hulk was capable of. DD like the Hulk is simply too one dimensional to take on Zeus.

Originally posted by carver9
Remember, per H1 words, characters strength fluctuates, so that probably wasn't Superman at his 1000 Earth weight pushing self. Per H1, that's when we have to look at the strength showings displayed in the comic during the time the two individuals fought. What strength fts did Superman do before or after facing Doomsday. For all we know, he could've been walking around with 1000 tons strength. I learned this from the master himself. H1.

Originally posted by Stoic
It is relevant, because Zeus bullied a guy that was capable of incinerating more than a planet with a single punch. Now that you realize that you do not always need to provide lifting feats to determine a characters strength level, you should avoid the double standard in the future when it applies to the character that you are arguing versus the character that someone else is arguing. This is of course something that has been sent your way multiple time, and still ignored by you.

Zeus STOMPS DD 11/10

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Zeus STOMPS DD 11/10