Originally posted by h1a8
Exactly the feat I was talking about. You see Zeus straining although he has increased size.Master just backed me up.
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Originally posted by StoicSuperman has greater feats though. Does Zeus have better strength feats than having to grow just to lift a mountain?
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Originally posted by Juntai
That's now how it works. Thanos will always be above Silver Surfer, he doesn't have all the esoteric feats that Surfer has, but he beats the piss out of him every time they collide, and that's enough.Likewise, Doomsday was written to be as strong or stronger than pretty much everyone.
I think I finally understand now, no matter how powerful these guys are in whatever era and whatever powers and abilities, DD is the type of an supervillain in DC Multiverse-who will always be above Waverider, Superman and the rest of the superheroes and most of the supervillains-am I correct here?
Please, correct me if I wrote something wrong here.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Just because you don't like it, does not mean Dan Jurgens didn't intended to be true and a matter of fact Jurgens stick to it pretty consistently, since Dan Jurgens is the creator of Doomsday for all intends and purposes, properly written Doomsday IS the ultimate life-formA physical brick that cannot be beaten physically, so the only option is to BFR him as SHOWN BY JURGENS. but physically Waverider, Superman or Flash are not beating Jurgens Doomsday, that is pretty much clear.
I do understand now this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=618634&from=thread&pagenumber=12#post15444400
However, Waverider has time powers, DD cannot adapt to time manipulation he can only adapt to energy and that is crucial key here, the real question is can Waverider change time by time traveling into the past and prevent DD's creation in the first place-yes or not?
It all depends on this.
Yes, Waverider can and does time travel but can he change timelines, pasts, futures and everything else related directly or indirectly to time?
Originally posted by Stoic
What is HP DD's greatest physical claim to fame? Darkseid zaps him, then stands there as he rises and barrels across a field towards him in seemingly slowmo. Then Darkseid gives in before the mugging ever begins, and is portrayed as a character whose entire ego had been shattered. Was that really the same guy that recently fought the Anti Monitor? I'd argue against it, and since DC has decided to be extra cheezy+ while considering Darkseid's continuity, anyone that beats his ass automatically wins a no prize. Beating Darkseid shouldn't even be considered a feat, because he is written up and down across the board.The only time when Darkseid becomes impressive is when people decide when he is an Avatar, and when he isn't. I fail to see how a real Sky Father or higher level being fails to BFR a brick when they supposedly are able to transport entire armada's across time and space? Yet there he stood incapable of this performing this. Now in an attempt to validate Doomsday, we waive the But He Is An Avatar Clause, in exchange for Noooooo, that was the real Darkseid when it suits us. What are we basing these insights on? Could it be that this has everything to do with Superman, and less to do with Doomsday and even less to do with the characters that got mugged by him?
Putting things into perspective; If we accept that HP Doomsday did indeed defeat the true Darkseid and not some cast off Avatar, we would have to accept that HP Doomsday defeated the original concept that Darkseid stood for. This means that Doomsday either defeated a being that rivaled Galactus in power, or he did not. Bringing Wave Rider, and the rest of the characters that he ran through does not help Doomsday's case when we take some time to think about all of the major feats that characters of Galactus' stature have achieved. So while another character does not need infinite power to defeat Galactus level characters, I failed to see any of the props used to raise Doomsday's stock to be on that level.
I will simply copy this when it comes to DD, h1and Juntai are both correct:
No matter how powerful these guys are in whatever era and whatever powers and abilities, DD is the type of an supervillain in DC Multiverse-who will always be above Waverider, Superman and the rest of the superheroes and most of the supervillains.
Regarding Waverider the main key is that DD cannot adapt to time:
However, Waverider has time powers, DD cannot adapt to time menipulation he can only adapt to energy and that is crucial key here, the real question is can Waverider change time by time traveling into the past and prevent DD's creation in the first place-yes or not? It all depends on this. Yes, Waverider can and does time travel but can he change timelines, pasts, futures and everything else related directly or indirectly to time?
And these are main questions about Waverider's abilities.
Originally posted by Juntai
That's now how it works. Thanos will always be above Silver Surfer, he doesn't have all the esoteric feats that Surfer has, but he beats the piss out of him every time they collide, and that's enough.Likewise, Doomsday was written to be as strong or stronger than pretty much everyone.
One question: about Flash's steal speed ability: How exactly DD is going to adapt if you take away the speed/kinetic energy to his cells, molecules, atoms and subatomic particles down to quantum level?
That is something that DD cannot adapt to, because there is no energy transfer here, it is merely absorption of DD's kinetic energy. The same is question with Waverider and his time control/manipulation-DD cannot adapt to time manipulation he can only adapt to energy and that is crucial key here, the real question is can Waverider change time by time traveling into the past and prevent DD's creation in the first place-yes or not?
It all depends on this.
Yes, Waverider can and does time travel but can he change timelines, pasts, futures and everything else related directly or indirectly to time?
DD cannot adapt to stealing speed/kinetic energy thing at all.
You cannot adapt to something that is taking away/stealing your speed-because it is not an attack you simply absorb speed/kinetic energy from your opponent.
