Zeus (Marvel) vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
It was a hyperbole, when there is no evidence of it, just mere words.
It's always interesting reading how everyone who DD fought forgot to use their abilities the way they should-only DD was properly written, all other characters who fought DD were not properly written and somehow forgot to use their powers more effectively.

I will readily admit that I'm only reading maybe 25% of your posts, because everyone keeps pointing out the rules and you keep singing the same broken tune.

So I'm going to repeat myself:
DD is written very consistently as far as most characters go. People aren't talking about this one thing he did one time twenty years ago, this is how he always is. Everyone else does forget to use their powers. DD does not.

The OP posted a very specific DD. Therefore, we use DD as he appeared in that storyline, adapting as he was in that storyline. He used 100% of his powers to his maximum ability then, so in this thread he uses 100% of his powers to his maximum ability.

Originally posted by Cogito
I will readily admit that I'm only reading maybe 25% of your posts, because everyone keeps pointing out the rules and you keep singing the same broken tune.

So I'm going to repeat myself:
DD is written very consistently as far as most characters go. People aren't talking about this one thing he did one time twenty years ago, this is how he always is. Everyone else does forget to use their powers. DD does not.

The OP posted a very specific DD. Therefore, we use DD as he appeared in that storyline, adapting as he was in that storyline. He used 100% of his powers to his maximum ability then, so in this thread he uses 100% of his powers to his maximum ability.

EXCELLENT POST and excellent points, Cogito!
Basically speaking, DD in all of his appearances used 100% of all his powers and abilities, but all other comic bok characters who fought against DD used much, much less of their powers and abilities, if each and every single one of superheroes/supervillains that DD used 100% of all their powers and abilities, DD would lose against them-not against them all, but against some of them, even if H/P DD faced them only one-on-one (superheroes like Flash and Waverider are the most obvious examples, I truly don't know about others-this is the real question if others will be able to beat H/P DD-if they, like DD use 100% of all of their powers and abilities, each against H/P DD one-on-one).
Cheers!

If you don't like or understand the difference between characters in very specific incarnations, or characters with limited appearances vs. characters with thousands of appearances, that's not my problem.

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
Again Flash's speed was decreased so that other guy in this case DD could be said he is faster than Flash, but he is not really-against DD was properly written, but was not properly written at all.

No it wasn't. You don't know anything about this subject whatsoever and therefore do not have a valid opinion.

Flash was roughly several times the speed of sound at most. Thus, Doomsday was absolutely meant to be faster at the time of DoS. Period. Read the comics before you start posting instead of making things up.

Originally posted by panthergod
No it wasn't. You don't know anything about this subject whatsoever and therefore do not have a valid opinion.

Flash was roughly several times the speed of sound at most. Thus, Doomsday was absolutely meant to be faster at the time of DoS. Period. Read the comics before you start posting instead of making things up.

At that point, yes, but before that?
Flash was faster before the DD event.
But that is not important, the important thing is Booster Gold was only speaking--without actually proving anything, that was "he said, she said" situation.

Originally posted by Cogito
If you don't like or understand the difference between characters in very specific incarnations, or characters with limited appearances vs. characters with thousands of appearances, that's not my problem.

True, this is why I said all the comic book characters who fought DD were adapted to be beaten by DD (who appeared only in several stories), by simply ignoring all of their usual powers and abilities, and they simply did not go all out using 100% of all of their powers and abilities.

Originally posted by panthergod
No it wasn't. You don't know anything about this subject whatsoever and therefore do not have a valid opinion.

Flash was roughly several times the speed of sound at most. Thus, Doomsday was absolutely meant to be faster at the time of DoS. Period. Read the comics before you start posting instead of making things up.

Originally posted by Mister Supreme

DarkStar explained everything about this in his post:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618634&pagenumber=8#post15442099

Phucking DarkStar.....

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
Except he is not, because in the presence of H/P DD all other characters simply forget to use all of their abilities that they usually use in fighting or for some reason they have to get weaker.

Just because you don't like it, does not mean Dan Jurgens didn't intended to be true and a matter of fact Jurgens stick to it pretty consistently, since Dan Jurgens is the creator of Doomsday for all intends and purposes, properly written Doomsday IS the ultimate life-form

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
Properly written Flash or Waverider vs. properly written H/P DD-both Flash and Waverider would beat H/P DD all the time, since he is nothing more than the ultimate physical brick and that's all.

A physical brick that cannot be beaten physically, so the only option is to BFR him as SHOWN BY JURGENS. but physically Waverider, Superman or Flash are not beating Jurgens Doomsday, that is pretty much clear.

Originally posted by panthergod
No it wasn't. You don't know anything about this subject whatsoever and therefore do not have a valid opinion.

Flash was roughly several times the speed of sound at most. Thus, Doomsday was absolutely meant to be faster at the time of DoS. Period. Read the comics before you start posting instead of making things up.

Yes, Flash wasn't that fast at the time.

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
It was a hyperbole, when there is no evidence of it, just mere words.
It's always interesting reading how everyone who DD fought forgot to use their abilities the way they should-only DD was properly written, all other characters who fought DD were not properly written and somehow forgot to use their powers more effectively.

However, it had to be done, otherwise there would not be any story with DD or any other story with other comic book characters whatsoever-the cost is one side/opponent or multiple opponents will always forget to use his/her powers that he/she usually uses all the time in vast majority of other fights.
DarkStar explained everything about this in his post:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618634&pagenumber=8#post15442099

Likewise, Doomsday was written to be as strong or stronger than pretty much everyone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phucking DarkStar.....

hysterical

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
At that point, yes, but before that?
Flash was faster before the DD event.
But that is not important, the important thing is Booster Gold was only speaking--without actually proving anything, that was "he said, she said" situation.

No, he wasn't. Wally West hadn't been faster than Doomsday was presented as being since before the Cridis on Infinite Earths when his powers were seriously downgraded to supersonic level. In the Legends crossover this lower powerlevel was directly commented on. Throughout Wallys solo series until the year AFTER Death of Superman this lower level was still in effect. So NO, Wallys period as being well below classic lightspeed and above levels was not a brief phase but a several year long portrayal of the character that preceded DoS for close to a decade.

Further, as Booster doesn't actually exist, it's also possible that Jurgens was using him to convey where he thought the character should be ranked.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Phucking DarkStar.....

What is HP DD's greatest physical claim to fame? Darkseid zaps him, then stands there as he rises and barrels across a field towards him in seemingly slowmo. Then Darkseid gives in before the mugging ever begins, and is portrayed as a character whose entire ego had been shattered. Was that really the same guy that recently fought the Anti Monitor? I'd argue against it, and since DC has decided to be extra cheezy+ while considering Darkseid's continuity, anyone that beats his ass automatically wins a no prize. Beating Darkseid shouldn't even be considered a feat, because he is written up and down across the board.

The only time when Darkseid becomes impressive is when people decide when he is an Avatar, and when he isn't. I fail to see how a real Sky Father or higher level being fails to BFR a brick when they supposedly are able to transport entire armada's across time and space? Yet there he stood incapable of this performing this. Now in an attempt to validate Doomsday, we waive the But He Is An Avatar Clause, in exchange for Noooooo, that was the real Darkseid when it suits us. What are we basing these insights on? Could it be that this has everything to do with Superman, and less to do with Doomsday and even less to do with the characters that got mugged by him?

Putting things into perspective; If we accept that HP Doomsday did indeed defeat the true Darkseid and not some cast off Avatar, we would have to accept that HP Doomsday defeated the original concept that Darkseid stood for. This means that Doomsday either defeated a being that rivaled Galactus in power, or he did not. Bringing Wave Rider, and the rest of the characters that he ran through does not help Doomsday's case when we take some time to think about all of the major feats that characters of Galactus' stature have achieved. So while another character does not need infinite power to defeat Galactus level characters, I failed to see any of the props used to raise Doomsday's stock to be on that level.

A depowerd zeus who was changed to a kid koed/killed a monster with one hit that was beating up both thor and hercules at the same time.

Someone post that scan.

And that guy was no joke iirc he broke thors arm in a previous fight. And thor one shotted all of the seperants heralds in fear, so thor is no joke

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
But it was never proven, one thing is to say the other thing is to prove, plus you are forgetting the fact that characters that writers want them to beat simply either forgot their powers/abilities or they simply decrease their abilities so the other guy could win-in this case H/P DD, try this on properly written Flash and Waverider and the result would be completely different.

But I understand what you are saying about if a character actually fought to the best of their ability as shown before. I agree with you there. For example, Surfer can actually beat Thanos if he fought to the best of his ability as he did several times in comics. But If flash speed steals then will DD evolve to steal speed back? I believe that was the intentions of Jurgens, to adapt on the fly to any situation that is getting the better of him. Also, DD was affecting waveriders powers without touching him. Its fair to say that waverider couldn't actually use his power against DD because DD made him not able to control them by merely being in the vicinity of him.

Originally posted by h1a8

Zeus had to increase size just to lift a mountain.

He strained when doing it.

Mount Etna, Zeus lifted it, and threw it.

Shut up, h1.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Mount Etna, Zeus lifted it, and threw it.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Shut up, h1.