Originally posted by h1a8
Holding Mjolnir is not a feat of strength. Catching it is.According to most tiers then it is easy to bat it away, provided you have a durable object. The only tiers who can't do it is the meta tier and streets. All you need is a decent fraction of Thors strength up to Thor's strength. It's been knocked away by heralds. A weaker person can easily block a strike from a much stronger person.
He did catch it.
Originally posted by carver9You have to be as half as strong as Thor to catch it with two hands. The reason we know that Mangog is not more than a few times stronger than Thor is because he hit Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thors right hand (as the comic stated). Hitting Mjolnir back is harder than catching it. Heralds have hit Mjolnir back.
He did catch it.
Originally posted by h1a8
You have to be as half as strong as Thor to catch it with two hands. The reason we know that Mangog is not more than a few times stronger than Thor is because he hit Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thors right hand (as the comic stated). Hitting Mjolnir back is harder than catching it. Heralds have hit Mjolnir back.
Why do you think I find it impressive that Zeus not only caught Mjlonir but held on to it until Thor summoned it back? Think about it for a bit.
Originally posted by h1a8
The reason we know that Mangog is not more than a few times stronger than Thoris because he hit Mjolnir back EQUAL to the strength of Thors right hand (as the comic stated).
Mangog is way stronger than Thor.
Mangog stomped Odin and all of Asgard combined with a single blow.
That's cosmic brick strength.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Its not like its an immovable object in flight. It HAS been stopped before. I think you're overexaggerating a bit. If he was truly Odins equal he would've stopped it from coming back.
Grabbing it, STOPPED it and holding on to it is insane which is the reason Thor was so impressed (by Odin's beard). That enchantment should've prevented all of that.
He probably didn't know Thor ability of calling it back.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, that does not encapsulate Mangog's strength.Mangog is way stronger than Thor.
Mangog stomped Odin and all of Asgard combined with a single blow.
That's cosmic brick strength.
What's your definition of stomp? To make fall in the water?
The asgardians were like humans when Mangog uplifted the bridge. They died just striking the ground from 20-30 feet in the air. Thor got koed by simply falling off Mangog's back and hitting the ground.
Odin was depowered because he transported Asgard. He was like a human too.
Do you agree that a being 4x stronger than another can ko the other in one blow? If not, then how many times stronger does someone has to be in order to ko the other in one blow? Mangog in one instance was unable to ko Thor in many hits. Thor even one shotted Mangog once. Does that average in? Or we strictly speaking classic Mangog and disregarding any more current Mangog showings completely?
Originally posted by carver9If someone can stop it in the air then they can catch it. And if someone can catch it then they can hold on to it. Why wouldn't they? Are you thinking that Mjolnir will drop? The enchantment prevents someone from picking it up (lifting it upwards), not holding on to it. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been palmed so many times.
Why do you think I find it impressive that Zeus not only caught Mjlonir but held on to it until Thor summoned it back? Think about it for a bit.
Originally posted by h1a8
If someone can stop it in the air then they can catch it. And if someone can catch it then they can hold on to it. Why wouldn't they? Are you thinking that Mjolnir will drop? The enchantment prevents someone from picking it up (lifting it upwards), not holding on to it. Otherwise, it wouldn't have been palmed so many times.
You should not be able to hold on to Mjlonir as long as the enchantment is active. WTF.
Someone palming Mjlonir while it is in Thor hand is different. Please think H1. That's why I asked you to think before responding to me. Think buddy.
Originally posted by carver9In that case Mjolnir should crush anything that it lays on. Since we know that it doesn't crush anyone that Thor sits it on then your argument is unsound. The enchantment prevents from lifting upwards, not holding. As long as one doesn't apply an upward motion then they are fine. Otherwise it would crush anyone if Thor just lays it down on them.
You should not be able to hold on to Mjlonir as long as the enchantment is active. WTF.Someone palming Mjlonir while it is in Thor hand is different. Please think H1. That's why I asked you to think before responding to me. Think buddy.
Palming involves not only stopping Mjolnir's weight but stopping Thor's strength. If you stop it's weight then you are holding it.
Originally posted by h1a8
In that case Mjolnir should crush anything that it lays on. Since we know that it doesn't crush anyone that Thor sits it on then your argument is unsound. The enchantment prevents from lifting upwards, not holding. As long as one doesn't apply an upward motion then they are fine. Otherwise it would crush anyone if Thor just lays it down on them.Palming involves not only stopping Mjolnir's weight but stopping Thor's strength. If you stop it's weight then you are holding it.
So you're telling me that if Thor threw Mjlonir at Martian Manhunter and Manhunter caught it, he can hold on to it as long as he wants? If the hammer is on the ground or on something, that's when the enchantment goes into effect? What new brand of coccaine are you inhaling?
If the hammer is in Thor freaking hand then the enchantment isn't in effect. OMG.
Originally posted by h1a8What's your definition of stomp? To make fall in the water?
The asgardians were like humans when Mangog uplifted the bridge. They died just striking the ground from 20-30 feet in the air. Thor got koed by simply falling off Mangog's back and hitting the ground.
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But Mangog's menace was feared across the universe to where the Rigellians were situated:
Indeed, they attacked him with "an energy beam powerful enough to tear apart the core of a star"
Mangog tanked it unharmed, and kept on demolishing.
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Thor states that the universe is at stake:
Originally posted by h1a8Odin was depowered because he transported Asgard. He was like a human too.
I disagree on the "like human" bit.
Originally posted by h1a8Do you agree that a being 4x stronger than another can ko the other in one blow? If not, then how many times stronger does someone has to be in order to ko the other in one blow?
Odin feared Mangog btw. That's not something you read everyday.
Originally posted by StoicExplain how it helps Zues then. Is he written stronger now than 15 years ago but, but when they revisit the old story, he was always that strong?
Because, if it applies to one side it most certainly does to the other.
Because I fail to see how explaining power scaling in relation to early 90s Superman to you, helps Zues at all in this debate.
