Zeus (Marvel) vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by h1a8
Wasn't it ruled that the Rulk incident writer's error?

But you are not understanding. There is a contradiction in comics? In another instance Thor can place his hammer on someone and it not crush them by dropping completely to the ground. Why is this? How do we reconcile the contradiction? If the hammer always fall unless the worthy is holding then why does it not fall when being held by someone's head or chest?

If Thor gently laid the hammer down on top of Hulks head then what will happen?
Will the hammer fall, crushing Hulk into a pancake? Or will the hammer just rest atop of Hulks head?

Its a comic, it doesn't have to crush someone. Stop using real world Logic. Why didn't Earth crumble when Green Lantern and Superman pulled a thousand earth weights?

Let's make H1 look like an idiot. Here is the enchantment...

Originally posted by Stoic
And yet none of this has anything to do with the point that I was making. Even at this moment H1 has formed an argument against the very people that write the books. Now what does Doomsday have to do with the feats that were accomplished by others? How do you know for a fact that it was Darkseid that DD beat up and not another one of his Avatar's? If Doomsday and Superman are actually as powerful as Abstract level Marvel characters (as you've eluded to) I guess Cyborg Superman ranks in as being even higher.

I mean you yourself have made claims that Superman was just that powerful, but while we are at it perhaps we should add Thor to the list of beings that have universal power, because after all, he managed to hurt the Chaos King, and while we're at that let's just toss out his other showings which happen to be the majority not unlike Superman, and go with a character's once in a lifetime feats over their average? Mind you, not that any of this had anything whatsoever to do with why I posted Superman struggling to lift a pyramid. So while you would like to attempt to lessen the feats that the Hulk achieved during HOTM, I have yet to actually see DD pull off a power stunt as grandiose as was witnessed in that particular arc. I mean since this is all about feats and not the hype that you spilled out all over this page and all.

Useless.

Doomsday's feats were far greater.

Hulk was still well below Zues. Zues was as far above Hulk was, as Doomsday was above Darkseid, who's also higher than pantheon gods that actually have universal feats.

And Thor never beat Chaos King.

Doomsday would eat Marvel Zues' big kahuna burger and smash his beverage while dead-eyeing him and Zues wouldn't do shit about it.

And these aren't once in a lifetime feats for pre-Flashpoint Superman like cool feats and victories are for other characters. They're year in and year out.

Originally posted by carver9
Its a comic, it doesn't have to crush someone. Stop using real world Logic. Why didn't Earth crumble when Green Lantern and Superman pulled a thousand earth weights?

GL could have stabilized the Earth when they moved it.

There is no such thing as real world logic. It's all logic. The law of the excluded middle applies to comics. Either something is or it isn't.

The enchantment prevents being lifted per the bios.

Anyway, it's moot since Zeus is worthy (even if it's a little bit). Otherwise he couldn't hold it.

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Originally posted by h1a8
If it doesn't crush someone then they can hold it with with their head, chest, etc. That contradicts not being able to hold it.

GL could have stabilized the Earth when they moved it.

There is no such thing as real world logic. It's all logic. The law of the excluded middle applies to comics. Either something is or it isn't.

The enchantment prevents being lifted per the bios.

Anyway, it's moot since Zeus is worthy (even if it's a little bit). Otherwise he couldn't hold it.

Stop being a troll. When Thor lays the hammer on anyone, they can not move. You're reported by the way.

Prove that they can stabilize an entire planet.

There's a such thing as real world logic in a comic? How did Spiderman get super powers from a spider bite? How can Hulk walk in a building without it crumbling? Reported.

Reported again. The enchantment on the hammer tells us what it does. No one can HOLD the hammer. I don't understand how everyone here has been banned except you. Do I need to become a Superman fan to prevent such things from happening?

The enchantment had nothing to do with Zeus holding the hammer.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop being a troll. When Thor lays the hammer on anyone, they can not move. You're reported by the way.

Prove that they can stabilize an entire planet.

There's a such thing as real world logic in a comic? How did Spiderman get super powers from a spider bite? How can Hulk walk in a building without it crumbling? Reported.

Reported again. The enchantment on the hammer tells us what it does. No one can HOLD the hammer. I don't understand how everyone here has been banned except you. Do I need to become a Superman fan to prevent such things from happening?

The enchantment had nothing to do with Zeus holding the hammer.

The enchantment says nothing of not being able to hold Mjolnir. It says that if you hold it (whether you are worthy or not) then you would either possess the power of Thor (if you are worthy) or you wouldn't possess the power of Thor.

I don't have to prove GL stabilized the Earth since if they didn't then the Earth would be destroyed. It's called suspension of disbelief. As long as there is a possible explanation then we can accept it.

You are confusing logic with science. Logic is king, science is not. Again there is no such term as real world logic. There is only logic. Without it then there can be no debate whatsoever.

Originally posted by h1a8
So a character can hold Mjolnir on atop their head without it falling to the ground. Good to know. This contradicts other showings.

The enchantment says nothing of not being able to hold Mjolnir. It says that if you hold it (whether you are worthy or not) then you would either possess the power of Thor (if you are worthy) or you wouldn't possess the power of Thor.

I don't have to prove GL stabilized the Earth since if they didn't then the Earth would be destroyed. It's called suspension of disbelief. As long as there is a possible explanation then we can accept it.

You are confusing logic with science. Logic is king, science is not. Again there is no such term as real world logic. There is only logic. Without it then there can be no debate whatsoever.

What's the difference between Hulk holding Mjlonir with his hand vs him holding it on top of his head?

Originally posted by carver9
What's the difference between Hulk holding Mjlonir with his hand vs him holding it on top of his head?

Originally posted by h1a8
There shouldn't be a difference. Mjolnir should drop to the pure ground in either scenario. If Hulk's body is keeping Mjolnir from touching the ground (when it is resting atop of him) then that is equivalent to actually holding Mjlonir above the ground. Does Mjolnir enchantment not work on non hand body parts? Meaning I can keep Mjolnir off the ground with any part of my body except hands?

Show us Hulk body holding Mjlonir. Scans. Show us Hulk head preventing Mjlonir from touching the ground. Scans please.

Originally posted by carver9
Show us Hulk body holding Mjlonir. Scans. Show us Hulk head preventing Mjlonir from touching the ground. Scans please.

Originally posted by h1a8
He never did this to Hulk. I'm speaking theoretically. If Thor does then will it crush Hulk? Anyway, hasn't Thor placed his hammer atop of someone before?

You're the one making assumptions. Dark posted 2 scans showing no one can hold Mjlonir. I posted 2 scans of the enchantment. It's up to you to prove the point you have been trying to make with scans. Show us Hulk or anyone's head stopping Mjlonir from falling.

Simply: Mjolnir's enchantment makes it unable to be lifted by someone non-worthy apparently when subject to gravity, therefore it's mass influenced by gravity is the only force someone would feel if it was placed on them.

There is only showings of Thor enacting the enchantment that makes Mjolnir return to him with "nigh unstoppable force" that can be used to actually harm someone

Originally posted by carver9
You're the one making assumptions. Dark posted 2 scans showing no one can hold Mjlonir. I posted 2 scans of the enchantment. It's up to you to prove the point you have been trying to make with scans. Show us Hulk or anyone's head stopping Mjlonir from falling.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Simply: Mjolnir's enchantment makes it unable to be lifted by someone non-worthy apparently when subject to gravity, therefore it's mass influenced by gravity is the only force someone would feel if it was placed on them.

There is only showings of Thor enacting the enchantment that makes Mjolnir return to him with "nigh unstoppable force" that can be used to actually harm someone

If Thor hands it to someone unworthy than it falls at 98m/s^2 (on Earth)

Seriously h1, just admit that you were wrong and move on, you're starting to sound like quan.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
If Thor hands it to someone unworthy than it falls at 98m/s^2 (on Earth)

Now if it doesn't crush them and their body just holds Mjolnir up from the ground then what if someone lie on their stomach with elbows on the ground with forearms vertical to the sky and palms horizontally flat facing up. Mjolnir is placed on their palm (which is supported vertically with their forearm and elbow on the ground. What happens?

Originally posted by h1a8
What happens if Mjolnir is placed on someone? Does it still fall at 9.8m/s^2 towards the ground (crushing them)?

Now if it doesn't crush them and their body just holds Mjolnir up from the ground then what if someone lie on their stomach with elbows on the ground with forearms vertical to the sky and palms horizontally flat facing up. Mjolnir is placed on their palm (which is supported vertically with their forearm and elbow on the ground. What happens?

That's a pretty convoluted edit you've got there, buddy.