Originally posted by Mister Supreme
I meant based on Superman's highest showings could Flash for example defeat Superman (highest showings of both characters and vice versa) and the question for Waverider and Martian Manhunter?
There was once a scan of some version of superman that went thousands of times the SoL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Flash will go lightspeed every match though. 😛
Yup.I mean, Flash could easily go lightspeed in every match and vibrate people's hearts out, or timetravel to kill them as babies, or use Infinite Mass Punches, etc etc.
Vibrating people's hearts out is outside of his character though.
Originally posted by carver9
I like Zeus better between him and Odin.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I think they like doggystyle more.
Originally posted by Facee
Who comes on top in your opinion?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol
Originally posted by carver9
What's funny to you?
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Zeus, because he beat the shit out of Hulk.
Stay on topic. We're clearly discussing sex between Zues and Odin.
Originally posted by Decter
There was once a scan of some version of superman that went thousands of times the SoL
Sorry, but I truly don't know what does SoL mean???
Well, if you think about speed, than Flash is still much faster when he gets into the speed force-the ultimate speed is like Warp 10 in Star Trek to be omnipresent everywhere at the same time.
Originally posted by Juntai
Flash will go lightspeed every match though. 😛
It's specifically mentioned in the rules.Vibrating people's hearts out is outside of his character though.
Before I started to post, my question should have been would properly written Waverider defeat properly written H/P DD-the answer is obviously yes, but still even without proper writing that Waverider suffered against properly written H/P DD, Waverider would still defeat via transportation-it's the only way in this if H/P DD is properly written like he was shown all the time, and if Waverider is not properly written at all like in this case.
But if Flash is properly written, Flash would vibrate everyone he fights against.
The question is how powerful is properly written Thor?
I use the word properly, since DarkStar has shown that's it's not about powers that comic book characters possesses it's about comic book characters themselves, it's not about their powersets-the real question is how powerful each and every single superhero/supervillain in both DC and in marvel would be if they are properly written.
That I would like to know in the first place. Waverider would surely defeat H/P DD based on all of Waverider's feats of time control/manipulation even after H/P DD has adapted to Waverider's chronal energies.
Actually properly written, many many superheroes and supervillains would be defeated by Waverider-if their fights were properly written.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you mean?
Based on your post here and explanation that it is not about powersets of each and every single comic book character, it is about each and every single character:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618634&pagenumber=8#post15442099
I wanted to ask you than who is the most powerful superhero and supervillain in each and every single DC and Marvel Multiverse/comics-when he or she is properly written????
Where are Thor, Hulk, Superman and Doomsday in all of this-when they are all properly written????
Big thanks in advance to all posters.
SoL means speed of light. Also yes there are versions of Superman faster then the fastest versions of Flash...that is the Silver Age for you. I mean PC Superman once went so fast divine intervention was required to stop him.
As for Thor, Hulk, etc. Well, Hulk is not a threat to people like Thor and Superman if everyone is being properly written. Speed is the main reason for that. Well, I suppose it is less about speed and more about versatility when it comes to Thor.
Just like with a monster like Doomsday, technically Superman should be able to just toss the guy into space then right?
Originally posted by SurturDD was created to be as fast as flash. He wouldn't allowed Superman to do such things.
SoL means speed of light. Also yes there are versions of Superman faster then the fastest versions of Flash...that is the Silver Age for you. I mean PC Superman once went so fast divine intervention was required to stop him.As for Thor, Hulk, etc. Well, Hulk is not a threat to people like Thor and Superman if everyone is being properly written. Speed is the main reason for that. Well, I suppose it is less about speed and more about versatility when it comes to Thor.
Just like with a monster like Doomsday, technically Superman should be able to just toss the guy into space then right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Define 'properly written'.For example, I loved Hulk in the Planet Hulk storyline. He was properly written there.
Carver would say WBh is the best example of Hulk.
I mean on this:
You posted yourself:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618634&pagenumber=8#post15442099
Originally posted by h1a8
DD was created to be as fast as flash. He wouldn't allowed Superman to do such things.
No, DD is not as fast as Flash based on what Flash is able to do-this is why I said properly written, properly written none is as fast as Flash, not even close.
Porperly written Waverider easily beats H/P DD, but he somehow forgot those time powers much like Flash forgot his speed powers, and the list goes on...
Originally posted by Surtur
I will admit I took "properly written" to mean "using powers intelligently". If so, the Wally West version of Flash could do a lot of damage if he speed steals nearly everyone on the planet.
Exactly, fully use powers intelligently and 100%-every superhero and supervillain seems to forget this.
Originally posted by Surtur
I will admit I took "properly written" to mean "using powers intelligently". If so, the Wally West version of Flash could do a lot of damage if he speed steals nearly everyone on the planet.
He could just do this:
That's him stealing the EXCESS speed of EArth, as MM/WW/Superman pull it.
He could just freeze Earth in place - flinging everyone off it into space, lol.
Originally posted by Mister Supreme
No, DD is not as fast as Flash based on what Flash is able to do-this is why I said properly written, properly written none is as fast as Flash, not even close.
Porperly written Waverider easily beats H/P DD, but he somehow forgot those time powers much like Flash forgot his speed powers, and the list goes on...
You're right. Doomsday is FASTER than Flash.
Originally posted by Surtur
SoL means speed of light. Also yes there are versions of Superman faster then the fastest versions of Flash...that is the Silver Age for you. I mean PC Superman once went so fast divine intervention was required to stop him.As for Thor, Hulk, etc. Well, Hulk is not a threat to people like Thor and Superman if everyone is being properly written. Speed is the main reason for that. Well, I suppose it is less about speed and more about versatility when it comes to Thor.
Just like with a monster like Doomsday, technically Superman should be able to just toss the guy into space then right?
Tossing will not defeat DD, but the same DD would do to Superman; like I said using powers on full level and intelligently and 100% effectively-that is the key, however, Superman would again end up dead, that's the point, they could punch each other from planet to planet, and DD would always win, especially H/P DD.
But I have always wondered-if both H/P DD and Green Lantern (let's say Hal Jordan) use all of their powers intelligently and effectively on full intensity and if they both use all of their powers-would Green Lantern still be able to beat and stop H/P DD or not-despite H/P DD has adapted to everything that GL can throw at H/P DD-now, that is the question...
There are more questions like this...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He could just do this:That's him stealing the EXCESS speed of EArth, as MM/WW/Superman pull it.
He could just freeze Earth in place - flinging everyone off it into space, lol.
This is what I'm talking about when I say "properly written".
H/P DD cannot adapt to this (fact, the same thing as Waverider), none can, no physical entity can.