Zeus (Marvel) vs HP Doomsday

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
No, DD is not as fast as Flash based on what Flash is able to do-this is why I said properly written, properly written none is as fast as Flash, not even close.
Porperly written Waverider easily beats H/P DD, but he somehow forgot those time powers much like Flash forgot his speed powers, and the list goes on...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Define 'properly written'.

For example, I loved Hulk in the Planet Hulk storyline. He was properly written there.

Carver would say WBh is the best example of Hulk.

This! Great analogy.

Flash at the time was roughly Quicksilver level in speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
writer's intentions >>>our opinions. It was clear that the writer WANTED DD to be faster than flash. Writer's have 100% creative power. If you create a character to be faster than flash then how can the fans overrule you?

Yeah, and since we take everything that the writer says at face value, that would mean that since Peter Parker said that the Sentry forced Galactus to retreat it should be respected, or that the Hulk was throwing around guys 1000X more powerful than Savage Hulk we should do the same. How about the power of 1000 stars? The wood is slippery when wet, watch your step. Booster was getting his face kicked in by DD at the time, and unless we saw Doomsday race against the Flash, I think that what he said was hyperbole.

Originally posted by panthergod
Flash at the time was roughly Quicksilver level in speed.

Are you sure about that?

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
This is what I'm talking about when I say "properly written".
H/P DD cannot adapt to this, none can, no physical entity can.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah, and since we take everything that the writer says at face value, that would mean that since Peter Parker said that the Sentry forced Galactus to retreat it should be respected, or that the Hulk was throwing around guys 1000X more powerful than Savage Hulk we should do the same. How about the power of 1000 stars? The wood is slippery when wet, watch your step. Booster was getting his face kicked in by DD at the time, and unless we saw Doomsday race against the Flash, I think that what he said was hyperbole.

Are you sure about that?

So you are saying that the writer had no real intention of DD being faster than flash?

Originally posted by h1a8
I have no problem with Sentry stalemating Galactus. After all, his punches were destroying world's from the aftershocks. And he broke Terrax axe like a toothpick. Sentry at best is at least average Galactus level.
WBH is astronomically above beings 1000x Savage Hulk. His feat did the talking.

So you are saying that the writer had no real intention of DD being faster than flash?

Lol it's like youre getting paid to troll us

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Lol it's like youre getting paid to troll us

Originally posted by h1a8
I have no problem with Sentry stalemating Galactus. After all, his punches were destroying world's from the aftershocks. And he broke Terrax axe like a toothpick. Sentry at best is at least average Galactus level.
WBH is astronomically above beings 1000x Savage Hulk. His feat did the talking.

So you are saying that the writer had no real intention of DD being faster than flash?

I'm saying that DD needed to prove that he was faster than the Flash. What makes this even more ridiculous is that these are words that are coming out a Booster gold's mouth, and he never even saw the Flash race DD. Could anything be considered more hyperbolic than that statement? I mean, guy gets butt whipped, then guy claims that guy whipping his butt is this and that. It's not as if Booster is the Flash. By the time that DD beat booster up, the Flash could have done laps around the planet. Anyway back to the thread topic. Zeus does not have to fight Doomsday with punches and kicks, he could take it up to a level that transcends these physical laws. But of course there will always be people trying to drag him down to DD's level. Like what is DDD going to do once Zeus transform into a Galactus sized being like Odin did?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm saying that DD needed to prove that he was faster than the Flash. What makes this even more ridiculous is that these are words that are coming out a Booster gold's mouth, and he never even saw the Flash race DD. Could anything be considered more hyperbolic than that statement? I mean, guy gets butt whipped, then guy claims that guy whipping his butt is this and that. It's not as if Booster is the Flash. By the time that DD beat booster up, the Flash could have done laps around the planet. Anyway back to the thread topic. Zeus does not have to fight Doomsday with punches and kicks, he could take it up to a level that transcends these physical laws. But of course there will always be people trying to drag him down to DD's level. Like what is DDD going to do once Zeus transform into a Galactus sized being like Odin did?

Zeus had to increase size just to lift a mountain. He strained when doing it. Anyway, Zeus can only do what he has shown in comics. No speculation. Increasing in size wouldn't do anything. DD can shatter mountains.

Originally posted by Stoic

Are you sure about that?

Yes. He was still under the mental blocks he had since The Crisis. He was Mach level at the time iirc. He did not gain access to the full Speed Zfirce at get back to near light levels still the next year 1993 in the Return of Barry Allen storyline where he fought Reverse Flash.

Originally posted by Juntai
I know you like to think this, but...Flash will never beat Doomsday. Even teamed with other heralds, they're insects to him.

That's because Flash will ignore all of his more exotic abilities when fighting H/P DD, but he has been shown based on his powers and feats in fights against other characters that he can easily beat H/P DD-that's why I said properly written-properly written using intelligently all of their powers plenty of course who don't rely just on physical punching and blasting would beat H/P DD every single time (because this is properly written H/P DD-just adaptation to energy attacks and their energies and supercharge their own energies, again anyone who is not a physical brick and who possesses abilities beyond energy blasting and punching beats H/P DD with his/her more exotic abilities)-and I draw the line when the character is properly written, not forget to use his powers other than just energy blasting and punching H/P DD; Flash and Waverider are one of these characters.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm saying that DD needed to prove that he was faster than the Flash. What makes this even more ridiculous is that these are words that are coming out a Booster gold's mouth, and he never even saw the Flash race DD. Could anything be considered more hyperbolic than that statement? I mean, guy gets butt whipped, then guy claims that guy whipping his butt is this and that. It's not as if Booster is the Flash. By the time that DD beat booster up, the Flash could have done laps around the planet. Anyway back to the thread topic. Zeus does not have to fight Doomsday with punches and kicks, he could take it up to a level that transcends these physical laws. But of course there will always be people trying to drag him down to DD's level. Like what is DDD going to do once Zeus transform into a Galactus sized being like Odin did?

The same thing as H/P DD vs. Waverider it was never proven that H/PDD truly adapted to Waverider's chronal energies as posters claim so all the time.

Originally posted by h1a8
writer's intentions >>>our opinions. It was clear that the writer WANTED DD to be faster than flash. Writer's have 100% creative power. If you create a character to be faster than flash then how can the fans overrule you?

But it was never proven, one thing is to say the other thing is to prove, plus you are forgetting the fact that characters that writers want them to beat simply either forgot their powers/abilities or they simply decrease their abilities so the other guy could win-in this case H/P DD, try this on properly written Flash and Waverider and the result would be completely different.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Um "written properly" Dommsday is the ultimate life form.

The logic applies both ways

Except he is not, because in the presence of H/P DD all other characters simply forget to use all of their abilities that they usually use in fighting or for some reason they have to get weaker.

Properly written Flash or Waverider vs. properly written H/P DD-both Flash and Waverider would beat H/P DD all the time, since he is nothing more than the ultimate physical brick and that's all.

Originally posted by panthergod
Flash at the time was roughly Quicksilver level in speed.

Again Flash's speed was decreased so that other guy in this case DD could be said he is faster than Flash, but he is not really-against DD was properly written, but was not properly written at all.

Originally posted by Stoic
Yeah, and since we take everything that the writer says at face value, that would mean that since Peter Parker said that the Sentry forced Galactus to retreat it should be respected, or that the Hulk was throwing around guys 1000X more powerful than Savage Hulk we should do the same. How about the power of 1000 stars? The wood is slippery when wet, watch your step. Booster was getting his face kicked in by DD at the time, and unless we saw Doomsday race against the Flash, I think that what he said was hyperbole.

Are you sure about that?

Yes, what Booster Gold said was a true hyperbole, since neither Flash was properly written in a fight against DD.
Based on their powers and what their usual feats and what they are truly capable when they are both properly written; Flash and Waverider should be unbeatable by physical bricks-if they are written properly.

Originally posted by Mister Supreme
Yes, what Booster Gold said was a true hyperbole, since neither Flash was properly written in a fight against DD.
Based on their powers and what their usual feats and what they are truly capable when they are both properly written; Flash and Waverider should be unbeatable by physical bricks-if they are written properly.

1. Don't spam the thread, it's against the rules. Pack those all into a single post

2. It wasn't hyperbole. DOS happened a long time ago, and Flash has been written much faster since. That said, DD has always been written as being at least as fast as Superman, who has also gotten much faster.

3. We don't debate CIS/PIS-less maxed-out-super-hyped-what-if characters here. Go elsewhere for that kind of entertainment.

Originally posted by h1a8
huh? What do you mean? I'm serious

Everything u posted was hilarious. Please dont mind me...continue

Originally posted by Cogito
1. Don't spam the thread, it's against the rules. Pack those all into a single post

2. It wasn't hyperbole. DOS happened a long time ago, and Flash has been written much faster since. That said, DD has always been written as being at least as fast as Superman, who has also gotten much faster.

3. We don't debate CIS/PIS-less maxed-out-super-hyped-what-if characters here. Go elsewhere for that kind of entertainment.

It was a hyperbole, when there is no evidence of it, just mere words.
It's always interesting reading how everyone who DD fought forgot to use their abilities the way they should-only DD was properly written, all other characters who fought DD were not properly written and somehow forgot to use their powers more effectively.

However, it had to be done, otherwise there would not be any story with DD or any other story with other comic book characters whatsoever-the cost is one side/opponent or multiple opponents will always forget to use his/her powers that he/she usually uses all the time in vast majority of other fights.
DarkStar explained everything about this in his post:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=618634&pagenumber=8#post15442099