Sidious and Vader vs. Yoda and Mace Windu

ROTS Sidious and OT Vader
ROTS Yoda and Mace

Who wins and how does it go down?

Yoda and Windu. Vader is the slow link.

I disagree. I think Vader and Mace would match up pretty evenly just as Yoda and Sidious do. It would come down to who takes who out first and is able to assist their partner.

Sith team. Windu is the weak link here.

Sidious and Yoda will be even the entire time mostly.
Vader is overall a superior duelsit by not a huge margin, but superior none the less. His force powers are also superior to Windu's and this is shown by his feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yoda and Windu. Vader is the slow link.

Do you think Lucas is stupid?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Do you think Lucas is stupid?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, but I think you are. Windu beat Sidious. Yoda beats Vader. Pretty simple.

Ok so if you don't think Lucas is stupid then why do you think he made Vader this powerful being. You honesty think he would be make him slow. Any type of speed problem would be due to technology of the 70s. That's why Duelsit in the prequels appear faster when they most likely aren't. Going by your logic the padawan in ROTS who took out those clones close to the end of the movie would be faster than Vader which of course is wrong.

The way you put them up the Sith team still have a chance. Sidious would beat Windu and Sidious knowing the threat Yoda poses would waste know time in dispatching Windu with his force powers or overwhelming him from the start before he has a chance to enact Vaapad. Also Vaapad won't work the same and if you do go by that Sidious beats Windu 10/10 or 8-9/10. Go by the more logical pairings. Sidious vs Yoda and Vader vs Mace. Sidious and Yoda equals so it comes down to the Vader vs Mace. Vader has displayed superior force powers and can take Mace in sabers.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ok so if you don't think Lucas is stupid then why do you think he made Vader this powerful being. You honesty think he would be make him slow. Any type of speed problem would be due to technology of the 70s. That's why Duelsit in the prequels appear faster when they most likely aren't. Going by your logic the padawan in ROTS who took out those clones close to the end of the movie would be faster than Vader which of course is wrong.

The way you put them up the Sith team still have a chance. Sidious would beat Windu and Sidious knowing the threat Yoda poses would waste know time in dispatching Windu with his force powers or overwhelming him from the start before he has a chance to enact Vaapad. Also Vaapad won't work the same and if you do go by that Sidious beats Windu 10/10 or 8-9/10. Go by the more logical pairings. Sidious vs Yoda and Vader vs Mace. Sidious and Yoda equals so it comes down to the Vader vs Mace. Vader has displayed superior force powers and can take Mace in sabers.

Windu best Sidious. You speculate. Sheev begs Anakin while Yoda kills him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Powerful humans are usually slower than quicker ones. Being powerful has nothing to do with speed. We see Luke move fast in the ot's. We also see in rebels Vader is the same. 😂

Windu best Sidious. You speculate. Sheev begs Anakin while Yoda kills him.

That's a lie. The more powerful you are, the faster you tend to be. For instance, Yoda is faster than Dooku and he is more powerful, same with Sidious and Dooku, same with Anakin and any padawan in the Jedi temple and so many examples that's it's not worth it to all of them. Being powerful has a lot to do with it. Force augmentation comes from your power in the force dummy. And I ask you, when has speed ever been a problem? He beat Luke, he took on Ezra and Kanan with no difficulty.

That was a one time thing that's circumstantial is confirmed to have an amp. The novelization also goes into detail about the boost and how it worked and what fueled it's clear by the novel and common sense he won't be that fast or powerful. Also he's going up agaisnt Vader, so not only will he not receive that amp, he won't receive any amp most likely based on the other showings of his use of Vaapad.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That's a lie. The more powerful you are, the faster you tend to be. For instance, Yoda is faster than Dooku and he is more powerful, same with Sidious and Dooku, same with Anakin and any padawan in the Jedi temple and so many examples that's it's not worth it to all of them. Being powerful has a lot to do with it. Force augmentation comes from your power in the force dummy. And I ask you, when has speed ever been a problem? He beat Luke, he took on Ezra and Kanan with no difficulty.

That was a one time thing that's circumstantial is confirmed to have an amp. The novelization also goes into detail about the boost and how it worked and what fueled it's clear by the novel and common sense he won't be that fast or powerful. Also he's going up agaisnt Vader, so not only will he not receive that amp, he won't receive any amp most likely based on the other showings of his use of Vaapad.

Ezra and Kanan won. They were scrubs and they resisted Vader.

Windu won in the film. Bottom line. Sidious lost. Does the novel say Sidious threw the fight ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. No, being more powerful doesn't mean you are faster hence Vader's slower mobility.

Ezra and Kanan won. They were scrubs and they resisted Vader.

Windu won in the film. Bottom line. Sidious lost. Does the novel say Sidious threw the fight ?

No that just goes to how you use said power. Vader is smart, so he uses his force speed sparingly. He's not stupid like his more organic self.

Actually they fled. Vader was toying with them. He passed up many opportunities to kill them. He showed his superiority.

In the film which was circumstantial and even if you die that battle and say he didn't throw the fight, Windu received a boost that he never received before fact. His internal anger won't be as large as it was then fact. So one fight doesn't dictate every fight. It heavily implies it.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No that just goes to how you use said power. Vader is smart, so he uses his force speed sparingly. He's not stupid like his more organic self.

Actually they fled. Vader was toying with them. He passed up many opportunities to kill them. He showed his superiority.

In the film which was circumstantial and even if you die that battle and say he didn't throw the fight, Windu received a boost that he never received before fact. His internal anger won't be as large as it was then fact. So one fight doesn't dictate every fight. It heavily implies it.

They knocked him on his ass and escaped. Vader got schooled by two noobs.

So the novel doesn't even hint at throwing the fight yet you say it anyways. That's what trolls do. Windu win. Fact.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is more experienced but much slower.

They knocked him on his ass and escaped. Vader got schooled by two noobs.

So the novel doesn't even hint at throwing the fight yet you say it anyways. That's what trolls do. Windu win. Fact.

Which has never been a problem for Vader.

While he was distracted, and like you said escaped. They fled because they knew they would lose as Kanan pointed out they were lucky to escape with their lives.

Do you not know what implied means?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Which has never been a problem for Vader.

While he was distracted, and like you said escaped. They fled because they knew they would lose as Kanan pointed out they were lucky to escape with their lives.

Do you not know what implied means?

They knocked him down and then left. Yes, but they did escape against a much more experienced, seasoned guy with troops to his side. Awful showing.

Tell me by what quotes how they implied it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Against Luke, Kanan, and Ezra.

They knocked him down and then left. Yes, but they did escape against a much more experienced, seasoned guy with troops to his side. Awful showing.

Tell me by what quotes how they implied it.

Show me where it was a problem. Vader beat Luke, and Ezra and Kanan didn't show anything. They were tossed around. Kanan was even unconscious for a period of time.

Vader wasn't even trying. He showed this. He showed that he utterly outclassed them in every category.

How Sidious killed Tinn and kolar before he could even react for one. The movie also implies this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Show me where it was a problem. Vader beat Luke, and Ezra and Kanan didn't show anything. They were tossed around. Kanan was even unconscious for a period of time.

Vader wasn't even trying. He showed this. He showed that he utterly outclassed them in every category.

How Sidious killed Tinn and kolar before he could even react for one. The movie also implies this.

Yes, he was and even filoni agrees.

Windu beat him one on one so who cares he beat some scrubs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Luke wasn't ready for him and went off because he's stupid. Next time he owned Vader. Yes, two scrubs still managed to ward off Vader. Awful showing.

Yes, he was and even filoni agrees.

Windu beat him one on one so who cares he beat some scrubs.

So him being ready isn't my problem. You yourself said Vader wasn't going all out in ESB. You said he wasn't trying to kill him. Vader wasn't trying in ROTJ.

Filoni doesn't agree. He made it perfectly clear that Vader could ahve destroyed them if so chose to.

The point is he killed them before he could react. That there shows he could have killed Windu first, but didn't.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So him being ready isn't my problem. You yourself said Vader wasn't going all out in ESB. You said he wasn't trying to kill him. Vader wasn't trying in ROTJ.

Filoni doesn't agree. He made it perfectly clear that Vader could ahve destroyed them if so chose to.

The point is he killed them before he could react. That there shows he could have killed Windu first, but didn't.

No, he said it diminishes the character when they get away so he has to use him sparingly. Poor Vader. Failed against some shit rebels despite an empire at his beck and call.

No, that proves he can kill them not Windu since Windu beat him. Ffs you say the dumbest shit.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am explaining why Vader won. Luke was shit then. Prove that. Luke owned him and tossed his saber down. Haha.

No, he said it diminishes the character when they get away so he has to use him sparingly. Poor Vader. Failed against some shit rebels despite an empire at his beck and call.

No, that proves he can kill them not Windu since Windu beat him. Ffs you say the dumbest shit.

I already have several times over with observations from the films, and standard knowledge about Vader and the film.

That doesn't mean he couldn't have killed them. That just about them getting away.

If you and 3 of your friends attack me. I kill your friend before you can even react, that means I can kill you, since couldn't react to that first person or didn't see me do it. I was to fast for you. I'm not sure how much easier I can make this.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I already have several times over with observations from the films, and standard knowledge about Vader and the film.

That doesn't mean he couldn't have killed them. That just about them getting away.

If you and 3 of your friends attack me. I kill your friend before you can even react, that means I can kill you, since couldn't react to that first person or didn't see me do it. I was to fast for you. I'm not sure how much easier I can make this.

He tried and failed. Filoni agrees they got away. We see him attempt it, dummy.

No, they were scrubs who couldn't even defend themselves while Opress lasted longer. They sucked. Windu wins. He's elite. They weren't.