Lucifer Vs Thanos (Classic IG)

Originally posted by Mr Master
What? The universal aspect that exists within the same Multiverse as DC?

That's a pathetic single dimension.

Nah, she is the embodiment of multiverse.

And direct equal to Eternity.

That's her problem.

And yours.

According to who, what, where?

DC VS MARVEL. Read it up.

If you bring up "Adventures of the X-Men," ... where they were "equals" ...

... you have to accept that in [b]that story, LT and Spectre were above BOTH Comic book lines.

Still paddling that BS?

Show me where. My blood will not flow until then. [/B]

You've basically bled a river by now. DC VS MARVEL is officially canon recognized by marvel.

LT is Spectre level. Recognized by Marvel comics.

Bleed more.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yes, I wouldn't agree with that likewise. I sincerely don't believe that's what Zop meant.
I [b]think he meant it as what TOAA represents as oppose to the Presence.
TOAA operates in that 4th wall club like Morrison, Carlin and others,
while the Presence is confined to comic books laws. Unless I'm mistaken.

Marvel's top "God" should = DC's top "God" imo. (4th wall affiliations is another category imo)

The "external forces" are what TOAA represents in Marvel.
Like the "external forces" that have appeared in DC. (Carlin/Morrison and I'm sure others)[/B]

Point being: Yahweh's comment in this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/BnYBfb2.jpg
Certainly doesn't degrade what DC's Supreme Being is. All it tells us is that DC's in-comic God is aware of the fact that even he was shaped/drawn by external forces(ie. the RW writers/artists)... As is ANY character that is featured in a comic book(including the Kirby analogue of God from F4.)

If anything, that scene demonstrates just how all-encompassing God's omniscience is. /shrug

Originally posted by Mr Master
And while it's true and I agree they are all illustrations, they are different. You yourself have noted that Animal Man's Morrison
and the new era of Meta-Textual beings like Gentry and others are another level.

But again: that doesn't diminish what they represent within the story itself. They still represent the absolute greatest 'level of infinite power' we can possibly have--and that is all that really matters where this thread is concerned.

Originally posted by Mr Master
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But it is TOAA friend. He called himself "God" but we all know he's on a higher level than the HOTI.

IOW, when I mention "Marvel's God", I am referring to the guy we saw in Fantastic Four #511, or Sensational Spider-Man v2 #40: ie. Marvel's one and only Supreme Being. I am not referring to...say...Warlock /w/ IG, because he was never THE God. Not literally, at least.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Throwing temper tantrums are temper tantrums. Grow up.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Everything is God.

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, it isn't. It got destroyed by repelling a universe.

Also, the IG is being assembled as we speak in current arcs, so, I wonder what was "destroyed?"

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nobody gives a shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend

You deserve it.

It's fine.

It's not your fault at this point.

Originally posted by Mr Master

Yes, I wouldn't agree with that likewise. I sincerely don't believe that's what Zop meant.
I [b]think he meant it as what TOAA represents as oppose to the Presence.
TOAA operates in that 4th wall club like Morrison, Carlin and others,
while the Presence is confined to comic books laws. Unless I'm mistaken.

Marvel's top "God" should = DC's top "God" imo. (4th wall affiliations is another category imo)

The "external forces" are what TOAA represents in Marvel.
Like the "external forces" that have appeared in DC. (Carlin/Morrison and I'm sure others)

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nah, she is the embodiment of multiverse.

And direct equal to Eternity.

Originally posted by abhilegend

DC VS MARVEL. Read it up.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Still paddling that BS?

So, flip a coin when you decide to recognize something or not..

Originally posted by abhilegend

You've basically bled a river by now.

DC VS MARVEL is officially canon recognized by marvel.

LT is Spectre level. Recognized by Marvel comics.

Bleed more.

The Handbook references DC vs Marvel #3 specifically. lol

That's where LT and Spectre merged both Brothers by force:

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This "merger" created the Handbook recognized "Pocket-Reality 9602"

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As soon as the "merger" was separated (pg.12 of #4) ... "Pocket-Reality 9602" never existed again.

The Brothers were nearly destroyed during the separation had Access not helped. lol

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So, since what's being highlighted here by Marvel, is the LT and Spectre owning the Brothers,
and both Brothers nearly getting obliterated during the separation process,
I'm gonna go ahead and assume you'll dismiss this event now.

So ... you better get a bigger knife if you wish to see blood flow.

Originally posted by Galan007

Okay, but when said beings/concepts manifest themselves in a comic book, it automatically means they were "shaped by external forces" by proxy. As you know: they aren't real... *Someone* had to draw them.

Point being: Yahweh's comment in this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/BnYBfb2.jpg
Certainly doesn't degrade what DC's Supreme Being is. All it tells us is that DC's in-comic God is aware of the fact that even he was shaped/drawn by external forces(ie. the RW writers/artists)... As is ANY character that is featured in a comic book(including the Kirby analogue of God from F4.)

It's just that (and I think you're with me here) the "external forces" (when illustrated) while just as "fictional" as anything else,
should be viewed as something special? Perhaps not the best term, but I think you know where I'm going.

Originally posted by Galan007

If anything, that scene demonstrates just how all-encompassing God's omniscience is.

Eternity called it: .... "The Fates" ...
Infinity called it: .... "a level even beyond the Living Tribunal's lofty hierarchal station."

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Infinity then inquired about TOAA: "Why did we have to endure this humiliation?"
The LT replied: "I do not know. My master has provided no explanation ..."

Originally posted by Galan007

I understand what you're saying. However, my point is simply that even those illustrated analogues of God/TOAA/the Supreme Being/etc. that have appeared throughout Marvel and DC... Even they were "shaped by external forces" when we get right down to it. At the end of the day, they're still comic book characters that had to be drawn inside the pages of a comic book by 'external forces': the RW writers/artists.

But again: that doesn't diminish what they represent within the story itself. They still represent the absolute greatest 'level of infinite power' we can possibly have--and that is all that really matters where this thread is concerned.

Originally posted by Galan007

This is exactly my point. I agree that the Kirby analogue was meant to represent TOAA. However, it still referred to itself as "God"--ergo TOAA and God are one in the same.

IOW, when I mention "Marvel's God", I am referring to the guy we saw in Fantastic Four #511, or Sensational Spider-Man v2 #40: ie. Marvel's one and only Supreme Being. I am not referring to...say...Warlock /w/ IG, because he was never THE God. Not literally, at least.

First TOAA = God, this is interchangeable and used by writers as they seem fit. Second the TOAA LT represented against the IG was not Kirby but just God, if ones disagrees he has to show the 4th wall break in the very same issue.
The Kirby in the comic is still below God, as he is just a drawn character and we saw already comic characters breaking the 4th wall and being above the drawn representations of the writers/artists. Also, I am sure most of the artists/writers believe in a God in RL who is superior to them.
So TOAA is and always was god and sometimes the drawn representation of the writers/artists, never however was TOAA the RL artist writer himself, as those in RL are quite powerless, emloyes of their companies and nothing more.
So in effect, TOAA was also shaped by external forces the moment he was drawn or referenced in a comic book, as a Word or the representation of a real life human being.

What we experience right now in DC, with Multiversity and Superman Beyond is something beyond the 4th wall stuff, as the 4th wall is still a comic verse. The metatextual approach is however the most direct interaction with our thinking I have seen in comics and is, if the individual wants it, superior to any supreme being ever drawn.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I agree.

It's just that (and I think you're with me here) the "external forces" (when illustrated) while just as "fictional" as anything else,
should be viewed as something special? Perhaps not the best term, but I think you know where I'm going.

Seems like we both agree with that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Eternity, Infinity and the LT all recognized/realized they were being controlled by a higher power. 😛

Eternity called it: .... "The Fates" ...
Infinity called it: .... "a level [b]even beyond the Living Tribunal's lofty hierarchal station."

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Infinity then inquired about TOAA: "Why did we have to endure this humiliation?"
The LT replied: "I do not know. My master has provided no explanation ..."

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting. I agree, kinda. Imo, there are different levels of "God" evidently.

Warlock /w/ IG possesses a level of infinite power, which subsequently made him a level of God. However, he was still inferior to TOAA/THE God, who is obviously the pinnacle of infinite power... The essence of omnipotence, if you will.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How old is it?

Run several antivirus, antimalware and antispyware scans. Should help 😛

about 3 years i think. I actually recently bought a new one but that also now has a battery problem for some reason.

Yeah, thanks for the advice, that seems the most logical thing to do right now.

^^ Deleting cookies and temp files in yur "internet options" window helps as well friend.

Originally posted by Galan007

They're special in the sense that they represent the pinnacle of power/authority within the company. But again: they're still fictional illustrations that had to be shaped(ie. drawn) by external forces(the RW writers/artists.)

Seems like we both agree with that.

Originally posted by Galan007

This isn't really a new revelation. Eternity(and Thanos /w/ THOTI for that matter) were also aware of God's existence during Marvel: The End:

Originally posted by Galan007

That just goes back to the 'levels of infinite power' concept that you're well familiar with.

Warlock /w/ IG possesses a level of infinite power, which subsequently made him a level of God. However, he was still inferior to TOAA/THE God, who is obviously the pinnacle of infinite power... The essence of omnipotence, if you will.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Deleting cookies and temp files in yur "internet options" window helps as well friend.

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I think im gonna format the whole computer if those are not gonna work. Apart from the fact that my computer is slow, we also have a shitty internet in our country; makes you wanna punch the computer sometimes.

Originally posted by operator616
about 3 years i think. I actually recently bought a new one but that also now has a battery problem for some reason.

Yeah, thanks for the advice, that seems the most logical thing to do right now.

Never had that issue with any other computer I have EVER owned.

^^ Yall have to upgrade to Mac friends. I've had mine since 2004 and it's never crashed, and never a virus.

Originally posted by operator616

I think im gonna format the whole computer if those are not gonna work.

The ***** there is you'll have to back everything up.
Hope you have an external hard drive where you can just drag everything in one shot.

Originally posted by operator616

Apart from the fact that my computer is slow, we also have a shitty internet in our country;

makes you wanna punch the computer sometimes.

Originally posted by operator616
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I think im gonna format the whole computer if those are not gonna work. Apart from the fact that my computer is slow, we also have a shitty internet in our country; makes you wanna punch the computer sometimes.

Make a clean install, take Ubuntu. You don't play games with an older Laptop I guess, so you won't miss anything. No virus and for free.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Yall have to upgrade to Mac friends. I've had mine since 2004 and it's never crashed, and never a virus.

But aside from that Toshiba, I've never had an issue with the PCs I've had... And they've gotten a LOT of use. Hell, I've been using my current Dell for at LEAST 7 years. No issues.

Originally posted by Galan007
But aside from that Toshiba, I've never had an issue with the PCs I've had... And they've gotten a LOT of use. Hell, I've been using my current Dell for at LEAST 7 years. No issues.

👆 My Dell laptop is over 9 years old w/ daily use, still going strong

Thanks for all the recommendation, guys. Although as soon as i replace the battery of my new computer (HP) i dont think im gonna use this one anymore

Originally posted by Galan007
Random question, but what brand is the laptop? I only ask because a Toshiba I had(running Windows 8, iirc) did the same thing to me about a year after I bought it: randomly started getting a bunch of viruses/spyware, and ultimately blue-screened on me... The entire motherboard ended up destroyed.

Never had that issue with any other computer I have EVER owned.

yeah, mine's Toshiba windows 8 too.

I also had a windows 7 for about a year or so; and it constantly had problems with the cooling system.

Originally posted by operator616
about 3 years i think. I actually recently bought a new one but that also now has a battery problem for some reason.

Yeah, thanks for the advice, that seems the most logical thing to do right now.

3 years is not too old. Certainly shouldn't have such problems.

I can recommend three products:

1) Avast Free Antivirus 2016
2) Malwarebytes Anti-Malware
3) SUPERAntiSpyware

They're all free. If your computer is as badly infected as you say, then you probably need more than that -- but I'd start with these scans.

Originally posted by Cogito
👆 My Dell laptop is over 9 years old w/ daily use, still going strong

Wow. I'm jelly. My MSI laptop stopped booting all of a sudden after only like 3+ years of use.

Originally posted by operator616
yeah, mine's Toshiba windows 8 too.

But like I said: mine ended up blue-screening on me. Totally fried(lost my entire collection of animated series' 🙁.) Hopefully yours doesn't get to that level.