BLM mob disrupts students in Dartmouth library

Originally posted by red g jacks
i disagree because i went to a school in the ghetto which provided many opportunities for a decent education and path out of poverty, yet there was an overall apathetic attitude towards education in the kids from the community in which the school was built. the school was in a lower class ghetto and had recieved funding from the state to have magnent programs togive the kids there a chance to succeed... yet so few local students signed up for the magnent programs that the school eventually started bussing in kids from the suburbs who otherwise wouldn't have gone to taht school who were actually interested in the magnet programs.

i have seen this sort of thing for years... a kid starts making 1000 dollars a month selling drugs and doesn't see much reason to buckle down and to earn academic success.

because the name of their movement is black lives matter... which is intentionally provocative because they are championing themselves as the defenders of black lives. so the fact that they ignore the main cause of the devaluing of black lives undercuts their credibility.

i'm not championing black lives as my top priority... i'm only pointing out that the people who are attempting to do so are picking the wrong fights to the extent that they must either not know about the main threats to black lives or simply not care.

For most the part I think urban public schools are drastically underfunded and understaffed. Perhaps yours was different.

Also your last statement is self serving. You're literally telling people what their top priorities should be. Would you go into research site for a rare disease and tell them they are wrong for focusing on this and should instead devote all their time and effort to cancer?

Also you may not think of it as problematic as other issues. In some ways I agree. Poor education and low income environments are major contributors to urban ghettos. They are problems I want to see solved. When the the highest grossing job and easiest way to get out of poverty is crime that is a problem.

But pretending the inequalities in our justice system can not be bad is itself a gross underestimation of what the problem brings.

Not just about deaths though that is major. It is the mistrust it generates between a significant group in our country and the people that should be protecting them. When you look at stats that means Black men are more likely to go to jail than their white counter parts for the same crimes. Are more likely to be pulled over and ticketed. This type of thing can cause that profiled group to have to overcome hardship they shouldn't or spend energy on things that shouldn't be a problem.

Only that but it creates a major us vs them complex that is in this case rightfully justified. When you are more afraid to call the cops, people that should be defending you, than the criminals in your community.

Well those to me is a major issue.

Why do these assholes have to protest in a library and disrupt other people from learning? Guess they didn't get the memo that the library is supposed to be a quiet place where people can read or study. Of course they don't give a shit. It's all about them and their needs/wants and everybody else can just go to Hell in their eyes. It's no wonder that the U.S. has fallen so far behind the rest of the world in education when students can't even study in peace because they have a bunch of hoodlums disrupting their studying.

What's even more sickening is that these protesters were mad that the Paris attacks were taking media attention away from them. LOL. Again, it's all about them. Nobody else matters.

Originally posted by Star428
Why do these assholes have to protest in a library and disrupt other people from learning? Guess they didn't get the memo that the library is supposed to be a quiet place where people can read or study. Of course they don't give a shit. It's all about them and their needs/wants and everybody else can just go to Hell in their eyes. It's no wonder that the U.S. has fallen so far behind the rest of the world in education when students can't even study in peace.

What's even more sickening is that these protesters were mad that the Paris attacks were taking their press away from them. LOL. Again, it's all about them. Nobody else matters.

That is how protests generally work. You try and make yourselves front and center. Most times causing inconvenience to other groups to make them aware of you and what you are protesting.

Good for them. Shame it also makes them look like a bunch of ass holes.

Originally posted by Star428
Why do these assholes have to protest in a library and disrupt other people from learning? Guess they didn't get the memo that the library is supposed to be a quiet place where people can read or study. Of course they don't give a shit. It's all about them and their needs/wants and everybody else can just go to Hell in their eyes. It's no wonder that the U.S. has fallen so far behind the rest of the world in education when students can't even study in peace because they have a bunch of hoodlums disrupting their studying.

What's even more sickening is that these protesters were mad that the Paris attacks were taking media attention away from them. LOL. Again, it's all about them. Nobody else matters.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/18/missouri-student-protestors-slam-media-coverage-paris-terror-attacks/

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/13/liberal-activists-upset-paris-terrorist-attacks-are-getting-attention-not-missouri/

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Star428
Why do these assholes have to protest in a library and disrupt other people from learning? Guess they didn't get the memo that the library is supposed to be a quiet place where people can read or study. Of course they don't give a shit. It's all about them and their needs/wants and everybody else can just go to Hell in their eyes. It's no wonder that the U.S. has fallen so far behind the rest of the world in education when students can't even study in peace because they have a bunch of hoodlums disrupting their studying.

What's even more sickening is that these protesters were mad that the Paris attacks were taking media attention away from them. LOL. Again, it's all about them. Nobody else matters.

If they put as much effort into finding jobs or pursuing meaningful education, maybe there would be no need to protest.

Liberals only believe in fiscal appeasement, which is basically oppression. They being doing this for ages now.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's a more complicated problem though, because you have to take into account their home life, potential pressures of peers, etc. And do you think that this experience is the norm, because I've read a lot of articles on schools that are severely underfunded, and suffer from violence problems that would definitely make it extremely hard for me to focus on education.

i just think even an underfunded school is a better path out of poverty than crime. because a criminal life is self destructive. i think it is a negative message to tell poor people otherwise. because it reinforces the idea that for them, a legit life is a lost cause. such a message is literally toxic to any prospect of improving the situation.

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But that's not the etymology of their name. That's just how some people have taken it. Their name is Black Lives Matter, because it is apparent that black lives don't matter as much to police officers. Again, gang violence is not based on gangs valuing black lives less, they have a disregard for live of any color. So again, this movement, from the start, was about racial violence of police officers, trying to get them to focus on a different issue is really just a deflection, one that's maliciously championed by places like FOX News, and that inadvertently gets furthered by people who probably don't have bad intentions, but still basically are a tool to preserve the status quo.

with regard to police "valuing black lives less..." once again i see this as stemming from the black crime and murder rate. it's a case of profiling that gets sloppy/out of hand... but profiling is essentially inherent in the nature of police work.

Originally posted by Newjak
There is probably a lot of context that needs to be known about your school environment growing up. When/Where that kind of thing.

For most the part I think urban public schools are drastically underfunded and understaffed. Perhaps yours was different.

Also your last statement is self serving. You're literally telling people what their top priorities should be. Would you go into research site for a rare disease and tell them they are wrong for focusing on this and should instead devote all their time and effort to cancer?

Also you may not think of it as problematic as other issues. In some ways I agree. Poor education and low income environments are major contributors to urban ghettos. They are problems I want to see solved. When the the highest grossing job and easiest way to get out of poverty is crime that is a problem.

But pretending the inequalities in our justice system can not be bad is itself a gross underestimation of what the problem brings.

Not just about deaths though that is major. It is the mistrust it generates between a significant group in our country and the people that should be protecting them. When you look at stats that means Black men are more likely to go to jail than their white counter parts for the same crimes. Are more likely to be pulled over and ticketed. This type of thing can cause that profiled group to have to overcome hardship they shouldn't or spend energy on things that shouldn't be a problem.

Only that but it creates a major us vs them complex that is in this case rightfully justified. When you are more afraid to call the cops, people that should be defending you, than the criminals in your community.

Well those to me is a major issue.

Originally posted by red g jacks
i'm not saying the schools couldn't use more funding etc

i just think even an underfunded school is a better path out of poverty than crime. because a criminal life is self destructive. i think it is a negative message to tell poor people otherwise. because it reinforces the idea that for them, a legit life is a lost cause. such a message is literally toxic to any prospect of improving the situation.

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...isn't the etymology of their name that they started out as "hands up, don't shoot" but then when it was discovered mike brown wasn't shot with his hands up changed it to "black lives matter"?

with regard to police "valuing black lives less..." once again i see this as stemming from the black crime and murder rate. it's a case of profiling that gets sloppy/out of hand... but profiling is essentially inherent in the nature of police work.

You could have a point if it was only life or death events where black lives seem to matter less.

Black adults are more likely to receive harsher punishments than their white counter parts for similar crimes. More likely to go to jail over minor drug offenses. More likely to get tickets when pulled over. More likely to wrongfully profiled and searched.

Originally posted by Newjak
Statistically especially in for current times it is legitimately harder for them to get out of poverty. Even if you work hard and get a proper education you can still end up in crushing debt trying to work to pay of loans while still being in poverty levels.

You could have a point if it was only life or death events where black lives seem to matter less.

Black adults are more likely to receive harsher punishments than their white counter parts for similar crimes. More likely to go to jail over minor drug offenses. More likely to get tickets when pulled over. More likely to wrongfully profiled and searched.

i'm not necessarily convinced the tactics of screaming black lives matter is going to bring much progress in this regard. as i said, only time will tell what the results will be

I love how we all act like race is only a problem in the Us.

^^**** are you talking about?

People here apparently think this racial stuff only exists in America. Also, try not to start a sentence off with ****.

Originally posted by ares834
Good for them. Shame it also makes them look like a bunch of ass holes.

That is the issue here in that they weren't getting anyone on their side or endearing anyone to their cause. Given social media, tv, etc. I'd be shocked at anyone who didn't know about the BLM movement ESPECIALLY kids on a friggin college campus.

So they alerted people to the movement that already knew about the movement and..well, that is it. Who in America that is an adult hasn't heard about this movement already?

Originally posted by red g jacks
...as i said i'm not against trying to improve education. i still think that just having access to any free education at all is a significant priviledge that much of the world doesn't enjoy. it should be stressed as the opportunity that it does provide... because it is literally the best option that poor people in general currently have available, as imperfect as it might be.

..i'd like to see these things addressed... i don't mean to give the impression that i don't think there is an issue here.

i'm not necessarily convinced the tactics of screaming black lives matter is going to bring much progress in this regard. as i said, only time will tell what the results will be

It's not that the movement will amount to nothing, but that some of their tactics will amount to nothing.

Now see some people claim the reason people riot and protest is because nobody is punished over these acts. Well the cop that killed the kid in Chicago via 16 shots has been arrested and charged. So someone is now indeed in the process of being punished for this.

I think the peaceful protest in library tactic was pretty good though, definitely made people talk about it again.

Talk about what again?

Black Lives Matter and racially biased police work and violence.