master Zao vs Yoda, philosophical discussion only

Started by redpill13 pages

if Zao and Yoda were to discuss and debate the Force, Zao would ask how Yoda can get Jedi involved as generals in teh clone wars. Zao's position is Jedi should NOT be involved in the clone war, as this is contary to the will of the Force.

In my mind Zao is far wiser than Yoda

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The Jedi don't require parental consent to take force sensitive children, which is a part of Republic law.

Jedi Path


"Initiates were the children, or younglings, sent to
tile temple to train to become a Jedi. Some citizens
have heard falsehoods of Jedi forcibly taking Force using
children to the temple for training. "

"Those meeting
certain criteria, usually related to midi-chlorian levels,
were turned over to the Jedi for oversight of their development.
The Jedi and the Republic government believed
that only formal, guided training could ensure
that Force users would not fall to the dark side. To leave
any on their own was to risk releasing powerful monsters
into the world. ready to exploit their powers. light
or dark, at the expense of. and immense risk to, others. "

-Force and Destiny

Get on my quote swag, dmb.

I prefer Luke's philosophy of voluntary initiation only, because liberty and shit, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Well duh Yoda involved the Jedi in the Clone Wars. The Jedi are kind of bound to the Republic and have been for almost 20 millenia.

and Zao correctly asked - do Jedi serve teh republic or the Force?

They should serve both.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
They should serve both.

do recall what zao's objection was?

Originally posted by redpill
i click quote but it won't enter.

Aubre showed a quote saying Yoda was the wisest Jedi ever. I believe that's it for your theory that Zao is wiser.

Originally posted by redpill
do recall what zao's objection was?

I don't recall Zao being the end all of anything but soup.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't recall Zao being the end all of anything but soup.
more than just soup discussed

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Aubre showed a quote saying Yoda was the wisest Jedi ever. I believe that's it for your theory that Zao is wiser.

yeah it's progaganda

Proof of it being propaganda? I'd assume the FACT FILES would contain nothing but truth. Given that it's, you know, a fact.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Proof of it being propaganda? I'd assume the FACT FILES would contain nothing but truth. Given that it's, you know, a fact.

yoda wisest of jedi got the jedi involved in the cw to serve as generals which lead to order 66

zao said a jedi should NOT serve in the cw.

when order 66 came yoda was close to being killed by 2 arc troopers

zao was never recognized by clone troopers as a jedi

zao wiser.

So just in your opinion, which, as for everyone, is rather meaningless in the face of hard facts. Cool. 👆

Originally posted by Aurbere
So just in your opinion, which, as for everyone, is rather meaningless in the face of hard facts. Cool. 👆
"yoda is the wisest" is an opinion that is contradicted by the decisions he made, in contrast to those of zao

Originally posted by redpill
"yoda is the wisest" is an opinion that is contradicted by the decisions he made, in contrast to those of zao

No it's not. It's fact. Yoda is the wisest Jedi, and has the showings to back it up. He had no choice but to enter the war. The Jedi serve the republic, so he had no choice. At least Yoda did something while Zao was just worthless.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's not. It's fact. Yoda is the wisest Jedi, and has the showings to back it up. He had no choice but to enter the war. The Jedi serve the republic, so he had no choice. At least Yoda did something while Zao was just worthless.

the "showings" include involving the jedi order in a war where they were decimated and corrupted from within.

zao showed another path for jedi.

saying yoda is the wisest jedi is like saying hitler is the wisest nazi, that's the fact. hitler's wisdom include dragging nazi germany into ww2.

is hitler the wisest nazi?

Originally posted by redpill
the "showings" include involving the jedi order in a war where they were decimated and corrupted from within.

zao showed another path for jedi.

saying yoda is the wisest jedi is like saying hitler is the wisest nazi, that's the fact. hitler's wisdom include dragging nazi germany into ww2.

is hitler the wisest nazi?

Which they had no choice but to be end.

He showed the path of the lazy.

Those two aren't comparable. Yoda, you just saw in a fact file was canocially provn to be the wisest Jedi. He has lived 900 years so by that would have more wisdom. Notice how in AOTC Anakin attempts to compare Obi wan to Yoda saying as WISE as master Yoda. He could have said Master Zao, but no he chose Yoda.

Originally posted by redpill
yoda wisest of jedi got the jedi involved in the cw to serve as generals which lead to order 66

zao said a jedi should NOT serve in the cw.

when order 66 came yoda was close to being killed by 2 arc troopers

zao was never recognized by clone troopers as a jedi

zao wiser.

Order 66 would have happened regardless. Except if the Jedi ran away like cowards, then they'd be facing a massive armada they could never hope to defeat. Either way they lose and the Sith win.

Zao was perfectly content to allow darkness to take hold.

So, answer me this: how is allowing the dark side to prevail a service to the light side?

For all of Zao's supposed wisdom, his ideals were in direct contradiction to his goal.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Which they had no choice but to be end.

He showed the path of the lazy.

Those two aren't comparable. Yoda, you just saw in a fact file was canocially provn to be the wisest Jedi. He has lived 900 years so by that would have more wisdom. Notice how in AOTC Anakin attempts to compare Obi wan to Yoda saying as WISE as master Yoda. He could have said Master Zao, but no he chose Yoda.

a book that says yoda is wisest when yoda's action and decisions prove otherwise? just bc a book says something, when yoda does something unwise, doesn't mean anything.

yoda always had choices. he made a choice AND he had a vision of order 66 but stayed course and made no adjustments

zao was wiser to simply avoid it.

yes i do think its comparable to hitlers decision to invade soviet union or george bush decision to invade iraq or jefferson davis decision to wage war on the union.

yoda had a choice and his choice corrupted the jedi turned public opinion against the jedi and resulted in order 66 and domination of the sith.

some wisdom

Public opinion would have turned against the Jedi even worse if they did nothing. You ever hear about the Mandalorian Wars? 😬