Originally posted by redpill
you know what i like most about star wars? not clone troopers or bounty hunters or anythingi like the discussions of religion and spirituality 🙂
the force is ofc the religion and spirtuality of sw
Likewise, if the Jedi believe they are force sensitive by will of the Force, it only makes sense that the Jedi are granted that power by the will of the Force to take an active role in trying to fix shit, not sitting by and waiting for things to work themselves out.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm Catholic. I detest anyone however who holds an attitude of "I don't need to do anything... God will work it out." I believe we as people, with our knowledge/power, should take an active role in making the world a better place.Likewise, if the Jedi believe they are force sensitive by will of the Force, it only makes sense that the Jedi are granted that power by the will of the Force to take an active role in trying to fix shit, not sitting by and waiting for things to work themselves out.
i do think that is zao's wisdom that the force will work it out. the force being ofc god. in his view the jedi and yoda were acting against the will of the force in being generals. that was unwise.
in the sw universe the force "god" exists. i doubt god exists in our universe.
again zao does meditation. meditatin is not nothing. it is a spiritual practice. he is blind but relies on the force to see.
You're missing the point, anyone who serves a higher purpose should actually take an active role in that purpose, rather than hoping for things to turn out well.
Zao can meditate all he wants and make soup for all, it's not gonna stop the dark side though.
Meditation isn't nothing, but if you don't use it to improve the Galaxy, it doesn't mean jack shit in the grander scheme of things.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You're missing the point, anyone who serves a higher purpose should actually take an active role in that purpose, rather than hoping for things to turn out well.Zao can meditate all he wants and make soup for all, it's not gonna stop the dark side though.
Meditation isn't nothing, but if you don't use it to improve the Galaxy, it doesn't mean jack shit in the grander scheme of things.
iin the star wars universe spiritual practices like meditation are improving the galaxy, they help maintain the force in balance.
kinda like prayer in christians to empower jesus over satan.
meditation for jedi is empowering the light side over the dark side
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Holy shit, what the **** are you talking about? Not only are you grossly wrong about Star Wars, but you know shit about the largest religion in the world. Holy ****.
oh really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_warfare
Spiritual warfare is the Christian version of the concept of taking a stand against preternatural evil forces. The foundation for this ideology is having a belief in evil spirits which are able to intervene in human affairs.[1] Various Christian groups have adopted practices to repel such forces, as based on their doctrine of Christian demonology. Prayer is a common form of spiritual warfare among Christians. Other practices may include exorcisms, laying-on of hands, fasting, or anointing with oil.
Contents
1 Doctrines of demonology
2 Practices in Christianity
2.1 Catholicism
2.2 Reformation
2.3 Evangelicalism
2.4 Pentecostalism
2.5 Charismatic movement
2.6 Jehovah's Witnesses
3 Criticism
3.1 Controversies
3.2 Christian countercult movement
4 Cultural influence
5 See also
6 References
6.1 Footnotes
6.2 Bibliography
6.3 Further reading
6.3.1 In fiction
Doctrines of demonology
Jewish demonology escalated with the rise of Jewish pseudepigraphic writings of the 1st Century BCE, in particular with Enochic apocrypha.[citation needed] Jewish apocrypha initially influenced post-New Testament writings of the early fathers, which further defined Christian demonology.[citation needed] Thus followed literary works such as The Didache, The Shepherd of Hermas, Ignatius's epistle to the Ephesians, and Origen's Contra Celsum.
Mainstream Christianity typically acknowledge a belief in the reality (or ontological existence) of demons, fallen angels, the Devil in Christianity and Satan. In Christian evangelism, doctrines of demonology are influenced by interpretations of the New Testament, namely with the Gospels, in that dealing with spirits became a customary activity of Jesus' ministry. Mark states that "he traveled throughout Galilee, preaching in their synagogues and driving out demons" (Mark 1:39).[2]
Exorcisms may be promoted by evangelists referring to Jesus comment, "If I drive out demons by the spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is upon you" (Matt.12:28; Luke 11:20).[2]
Evangelical Christian traditions believe that Satan and his minions exercise significant influence over this world and its power structures. A hostile realm in conflict with the kingdom of God is recorded in the Bible by the Apostle John, "the whole world is under the control of the evil one" (1 John 5:19) and by Jesus who referred to Satan as "the prince of this world" (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11), which may point to the concept of Territorial Spirits.[2]
Paul elaborates on demonic hierarchy in Ephesians 6[3] where he also mentions, by way of metaphor, those qualities needed for defense against them.[4] Two of those articles, the helmet of Salvation and the breastplate of Righteousness, were lifted from the book of Isaiah.[5]
It is also believed that Satan occupies a temporal existence when the Apostle Paul refers to him as "the god of this age" (2 Cor.4:4). Further, Paul's epistles focus on the Victory of Christ over principalities and powers. Evangelical interpretation has history divided into two eras: the present evil age and the age to come which supports the concept of the Second coming of Christ.[2]
Imagery of spiritual warfare is displayed in the Book of Revelation when after the War in Heaven (Rev.12:7), the beasts and kings of the earth wage war against God's people (Rev.19:19), and a final battle ensues with Satan and the nations of the earth against God himself (Rev.20:8).[6]
Practices in Christianity
The Spiritual Warfare (c1623), a print by Martin Droeshout depicting the devil's army besieging a walled city held by a "Christian Soldier bold" guarded by figures representing the Christian virtues. It has been suggested that this print may have influenced John Bunyan to write The Holy War.[7][8]
Christian practices of spiritual warfare vary throughout Christianity. The development of specific spiritual warfare techniques has also generated many discussions in the Christian missions community. Critical exchanges of views may be found in periodicals like the Evangelical Missions Quarterly (such as in volume 31, number 2 published in 1995), and in conferences sponsored by the Evangelical Missions Society. In 2000, an international collaborative attempt was made by evangelicals and charismatics in the Lausanne Committee for World Evangelization to reach some common agreement about spiritual warfare. The conference gathered in Nairobi, Kenya, and yielded a consultation document as well as many technical papers published as the book Deliver Us from Evil.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I meant in terms of his association with the Republic, but you are right, the Jedi knew that the Sith were pulling the strings long before the Clone Wars but still went along with it. And yet you claim the Jedi intelligence for getting involved. 😂
Lol, all you've done is reiterated your point and failed to actual engage with mine on any significant level. I'm not going to type out my response again, but I will highlight the irony that by the end of the Clone Wars the Republic was practically under Palpatine's authoritarian rule.
A real democracy. 😂Erm, by observing the Separatists have a functioning democratic parliament, that they were comprised of many former Republic senators like Mina Bonteri who genuinely believed the Republic was corrupt, and finally that the Republic was corrupt and the Senate largely ineffective and controlled by cooperation?
You know, do what diplomats and peacekeepers are supposed to do?By realising the Republic is no longer the state the swore an oath to, by realising the conflict will not resolve anything, by realising Republic and Separatists can coexist, by realising that protecting the ideals of the Republic can't always be achieved through violence? By realising that the Sith threat is the real threat here? Not the Separatists?No, I mean by brokering a peace like they never attempted. 😐And yet they managed to almost find out regardless when a proper attempt was made, Yoda was even able to sense Sidious' presence on Coruscant by meditating.
Fact is, though some effort was made to find the Sith, the Clone Wars not only distracted them from the real conflict, by their involvement made the dark side shroud stronger, just as Sidious intended. If they had not gotten involved in the war, their effectiveness would have increased and their vision less clouded.
Thanks for saving me the time of finding an appropriate gif. 👆
Originally posted by redpill
oh really?*snip*
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Pro tip, don't link Wikipedia articles about "various Christian groups" and act like it reflects even a slight majority of Christianity out there. No one actually thinks that Jesus, God, or what have you, needs human worship to combat Satan. That's nonsense.
the article does identify christians and christian religions sects who believe there is spiritual warfare and prayer is an effective means of combatting demonic satanic evil. christians pray w saints jesus mary god to combat satan and his demons
this ofc is in star wars with light side/dark side jedi vs sith
christians pray to jesus god saints mary to fight satan and the demons
jedi meditate on force to combat dark side sith
You spouting nonsense about Star Wars is one thing. You talking beaucoup shit about my religion is another. No one prays to God so he has the strength to combat Satan or anything else. They pray because they think this will earn God's favor/attention/blessings and to show devotion even in trying times so as the awful things in their life are alleviated. Second, that's actually not why the Jedi mediate. They mediate to center themselves and control their emotions, as well as seen into the future, and other such shenanigans.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You spouting nonsense about Star Wars is one thing. You talking beaucoup shit about my religion is another. No one prays to God so he has the strength to combat Satan or anything else. They pray because they think this will earn God's favor/attention/blessings and to show devotion even in trying times so as the awful things in their life are alleviated. Second, that's actually not why the Jedi mediate. They mediate to center themselves and control their emotions, as well as seen into the future, and other such shenanigans.
i just shared with you an article on christian spiritual warfare.
what do u think holy water is for? to fight satan and his demons.
star wars is also spiritual warfare patterned after xtianity.
yoda/zao is jesus
sidious is satan
Originally posted by redpill
he had a vision in his vision he saw all the jedi killed by both clone troopers sidious and anakinyoda didn't change anything or tell anyone
then his vision came true
some wisdom
That was the last season me he didn't understand it, so he had to further meditate on it. Even if he told anyone it wouldn't have done anything since they couldn't turn on the chancellor.
Above.
One thing that he couldn't stop means nothing.
All Zao did was sit on his butt and eat soup. At least Yoda fought the empire. Grandmaster of the order wiser than anyone else.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That was the last season me he didn't understand it, so he had to further meditate on it. Even if he told anyone it wouldn't have done anything since they couldn't turn on the chancellor.Above.
One thing that he couldn't stop means nothing.
All Zao did was sit on his butt and eat soup. At least Yoda fought the empire. Grandmaster of the order wiser than anyone else.
george bush got the us involved in the iraq war.
in the end it led to instability and the rise of isis which among other things led to a terrorist attack in paris
was that wise?
adolf hitler got nazi germany involved in a war with the soviet union and it resulted in the complete destruction of nazi germany
was that wise?
jefferson davis got the confederate involved in a war with the Union and resulted in teh destruction of the South as an independent nation.
was that wise?
yoda is supposed to be a jedi
this is fundamental jedi value
"A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack."
―Yoda[src]
what does yoda do? he gets fellow jedis involved in a war as jedi generals that resulted in teh complete destruction of the order, and corruption within as noted by bariss offee in tcw
zao clearly stated jedi participation of the war is a betrayal of jedi code and refused to fight.
if you call someone wise but they make decisions that subvert their order, pervert and corrupt them betray their fundamental values and leads to the destruction of the order, and another person is less wise but avoids making such decisions which is wiser?
when order 66 came down there was an attempt by the clone arc troopers to kill yoda in the heat of battle on kashykk as the result of earlier decisions and commitments yoda made
no clone trooper recognized zao as a jedi as the result of earlier decisions and commitments zao made.
if yoda and zao switched places so that yoda was living anonymously on dagobah and only a few jedi knew him and who he was and zao was leading the clone troopers and shot down d you still wiser?