master Zao vs Yoda, philosophical discussion only

Originally posted by redpill
a book that says yoda is wisest when yoda's action and decisions prove otherwise? just bc a book says something, when yoda does something unwise, doesn't mean anything.

yoda always had choices. he made a choice AND he had a vision of order 66 but stayed course and made no adjustments

zao was wiser to simply avoid it.

yes i do think its comparable to hitlers decision to invade soviet union or george bush decision to invade iraq or jefferson davis decision to wage war on the union.

yoda had a choice and his choice corrupted the jedi turned public opinion against the jedi and resulted in order 66 and domination of the sith.

some wisdom

1. Yoda's action show wisdom. What actions show his "lack of wisdom"? Can't be the clone wars since he didn't have a choice but to enter.

2. What vision? I don't remember such a vision. I remember the vision at the end of the clone wars where Sidious tried to fool him.

3. Well TBH what you think doesn't matter since you're trying to say some crazy old dude is wiser than Yoda and not even replying to Aubre's and I response that the Jedi had no choice but to enter the war.

4. No he didn't. The Jedi serve the republic. They have for millennias. He had no choice.

Still not seeing how Zao is wiser.

Originally posted by Aurbere
Public opinion would have turned against the Jedi even worse if they did nothing. You ever hear about the Mandalorian Wars? 😬

well the public opinion did turn against the jedi AND corrupted them as noted by bariss offee

some wisdom yoda has

I'll indulge your inane babbling after you prove allowing the dark side to win is in accordance with Zao's goals.

Originally posted by Aurbere
I'll indulge your inane babbling after you prove allowing the dark side to win is in accordance with Zao's goals.

huh?

where did zao ever say that? 🙄

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No it's not. It's fact. Yoda is the wisest Jedi

I sure as hell don't think he's wiser than GM Luke.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd say that only applies to his time though.

I sure as hell don't think he's wiser than GM Luke.

I agree.

Originally posted by redpill
huh?

where did zao ever say that? 🙄

You did:

Originally posted by redpill
no, a "truly wise jedi sage" is to serve the light side of the Force as Zao has done. not be generals in an manufactured war.

Yoda doesn't get that. Zao does.

Zao is wiser than Yoda

Let's follow this logic.

Zao's wisdom is to serve the light side. To that end, he abandons the galaxy to the Clone Wars. If all Jedi followed this 'wisdom' the galaxy would be left in darkness and the light side would be supplanted by the dark side.

So again I ask, how does allowing that serve the light side in any way?

Originally posted by Aurbere
You did:

Let's follow this logic.

Zao's wisdom is to serve the light side. To that end, he abandons the galaxy to the Clone Wars. If all Jedi followed this 'wisdom' the galaxy would be left in darkness and the light side would be supplanted by the dark side.

So again I ask, how does allowing that serve the light side in any way?

if all jedi followed zao's example that would introduce what chaos theory calls the butterfly effect

if you ever time travel dont step on that butterfly

how does yoda's strategy of allowing nearly all the jedi murdered by their own troopers which he saw in a vision would happen, with all the jedi gone, help serve the light side?

once sidious was in control he continued to hunt down jedi

And how does Zao making soup help serve the light side?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
And how does Zao making soup help serve the light side?

Originally posted by redpill
its a spiritual practice like meditation

So what do you call what Yoda was doin so flimpin much then? Resting?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So what do you call what Yoda was doin so flimpin much then? Resting?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So what do you call what Yoda was doin so flimpin much then? Resting?

he had a vision in his vision he saw all the jedi killed by both clone troopers sidious and anakin

yoda didn't change anything or tell anyone

then his vision came true

some wisdom

Originally posted by redpill
if all jedi followed zao's example that would introduce what chaos theory calls the butterfly effect

if you ever time travel dont step on that butterfly

how does yoda's strategy of allowing nearly all the jedi murdered by their own troopers which he saw in a vision would happen, with all the jedi gone, help serve the light side?

once sidious was in control he continued to hunt down jedi

I'm aware of what the butterfly effect is. But as has been said before, that changes only one thing: How the Jedi die. They would still be eradicated no matter what path was taken.

You have yet to prove that Zao is wiser than Yoda based on this philosophy. At best you can say they are equally wise. But unlike Zao, Yoda actually did something to stop the rise of the dark side. Zao was perfectly content to let darkness win. How is that wise?

Originally posted by Aurbere
I'm aware of what the butterfly effect is. But as has been said before, that changes only one thing: How the Jedi die. They would still be eradicated no matter what path was taken.

You have yet to prove that Zao is wiser than Yoda based on this philosophy. At best you can say they are equally wise. But unlike Zao, Yoda actually did something to stop the rise of the dark side. Zao was perfectly content to let darkness win. How is that wise?

do you recall what zao said to tholme in republic

Originally posted by redpill
he had a vision in his vision he saw all the jedi killed by both clone troopers sidious and anakin

yoda didn't change anything or tell anyone

then his vision came true

some wisdom

Yoda made some mistakes in his activism for sure (mostly relating to how he dealt with unveiling the grand plan), but at least he actually took an active stance against the dark side that bore some fruition (Luke and the NJO, Force Ghost), unlike Zao.

Originally posted by redpill
do you recall what zao said to tholme in republic

Zao is so lacking in wisdom that I completely forgot anything he said. So share. 😉

Originally posted by Emperordmb
[B]That was ****ing stupid on Yoda's part,

so you agree that yoda was stupid in that instance and stupidity is the opposite of wisdom correct?

Who is wiser?

It doesn't matter...

Both are sexy AF

Originally posted by Aurbere
Zao is so lacking in wisdom that I completely forgot anything he said. So share. 😉

i like the discussions of religion and spirituality 🙂

the force is ofc the religion and spirtuality of sw