Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well I'm going to agree to disagree at this point until we get more info.However claiming Sidious wouldn't see Kylo as a threat is a pretty baseless and unlikely claim.
He would because he's a Skywalker. But I highly doubt that if Dooku had Kylo as an assassin he'd contact him and say 'He's too stronk you need to kill him.' I just don't see it based on Kylo's portrayal.
He's a villain in training, trying, and failing very hard to be Darth Vader. Ventress, while also in training was capable of defeating Masters, and even when wounded was capable of choking out two top 5 multi-decades trained Jedi simultaneously.
Dark Side warriors typically show bursts of strength when wounded not weakness. The only thing I could potentially see as being harmful is him killing Han, but again based on his dialogue that seemed to suggest more on it empowering him.
Meh, I was much more swayed by Kylo's bursts of strength than his weaknesses, and his position as the First Order's first enforcer, the overall mirror between Vader & Sidious in him and Snoke, and his Skywalker heritage add to that.
For those reasons I'm inclined to believe Ren's performance against Rey and Finn was highly circumstantial and/or a result of lack of proper lightsaber training.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
He does suck. No matter how you slice it Kylo would get his shit pushed in by the Emperor, Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, or Grievous. He is utterly underwhelming in comparison to any of the film villains, and honestly even with the benefit of the doubt can barely stack up to the villains in the animated series.+ He comes across as a spoiled brat who cuts up parts of his Star Destroyer when he throws a tantrum. I laughed out loud for nearly all of his 'angry scenes'.
Where as with Vader he maintained his composure. Not saying Kylo can't have some of those moments where he loses his composer but the dude looked incompetent throughout the film.
And yet, Kylo was a far more threatening villain then any of those sans Vader and Palaptine.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Stopping a blaster bolt by absorbing the energy into your body is tutaminis, freezing one in mid air is nothing of the sort. EDIT: Which for the record has, to my memory, never been done by anyone, ever.
Yeah, that's a new power. And is one hell of a holy shit moment. Said power also seems to freeze his opponents as well.
Freezing opponents is just TK. The same sort of power that ragdolls people. Holding a blaster bolt in midair is the only really new thing he's done. Which was, admittedly, pretty cool. I was ready to give him some kudos till he got pwned so badly by Rey. If he'd won, he'd still have some respect points, but in losing...he pretty much lost 'em all.
Originally posted by Angelalex242Freezing people without maintaining a gesture is unusual even in the EU, and if I remember correctly doesn't the blaster bolt move only after Kylo has actually left?
Freezing opponents is just TK. The same sort of power that ragdolls people. Holding a blaster bolt in midair is the only really new thing he's done. Which was, admittedly, pretty cool. I was ready to give him some kudos till he got pwned so badly by Rey. If he'd won, he'd still have some respect points, but in losing...he pretty much lost 'em all.
Mmm, does suggest some kind of ability, even if it is a branch of TK.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meh, I was much more swayed by Kylo's bursts of strength than his weaknesses, and his position as the First Order's first enforcer, the overall mirror between Vader & Sidious in him and Snoke, and his Skywalker heritage add to that.For those reasons I'm inclined to believe Ren's performance against Rey and Finn was highly circumstantial and/or a result of lack of proper lightsaber training.
I have no doubt that in the next episode he'll live up to his hype a lot more. But as of right now I'm not impressed.
Originally posted by ares834
And yet, Kylo was a far more threatening villain then any of those sans Vader and Palaptine.
Not even close. Especially not if you count TCWs.
Dooku was threatening when he stomped Kenobi and Skywalker and then used force lightning which till that point we'd only really seen the Emperor use.
Maul was threatening by his sheer presence alone.
Kylo throws temper tantrums and is on the verge of comic relief at times.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not even close. Especially not if you count TCWs.Dooku was threatening when he stomped Kenobi and Skywalker and then used force lightning which till that point we'd only really seen the Emperor use.
Maul was threatening by his sheer presence alone.
Kylo throws temper tantrums and is on the verge of comic relief at times.
There is so much more to a character begin threatening then being powerful. Dooku is powerful but he is far to, I dunno, gentlemanly to be truly threatening.
Maul wasn't in the movie nearly enough.
And while Kylo's tantrums were almost comedic, it showed how utterly unhinged this guy truly is. That he is completely insane was a big part in what made him frightening.
Kylo stopping the blaster bolt in midair was hype as shit and he's clearly got some impressive force mastery with his telepathy and TK.
Personally I wasn't too hard on him for the duels.
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Chewies bowcaster is powerful as ****, a shot just near some stormtroopers sent them spinning through the air like they're goddamn power rangers and Ren got a direct hit. He pretty much kicked Finn's ass outside of Finn getting one lucky hit in, just like Luke got one hit on Vader despite being utterly outclassed. Then with Rey, firstly its obvious that she's much more powerful than him and is a complete Luke-esque prodigy and she'd spent the first half of the fight running away. The dudes bleeding pretty steadily and was injured by Finn. You look at the guys face and he looks like absolute shit, he's covered in sweat at that point. He'd be weakening from his wounds and exhaustion as the fight went on while she majorly rallied.Also, I thought the fight was cooler and more thrilling than the PT fights. I liked how they were kind of going nuts on each other instead of the clean, tasteless choreography and how Finn and Kylo took tons of hits before going down.
Originally posted by ares834
There is so much more to a character begin threatening then being powerful. Dooku is powerful but he is far to, I dunno, gentlemanly to be truly threatening.Maul wasn't in the movie nearly enough.
And while Kylo's tantrums were almost comedic, it showed how utterly unhinged this guy truly is. That he is completely insane was a big part in what made him frightening.
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I like the scene where
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he goes apeshit and two stormtroopers walking up just turn around and walk away.
That he's so unstable made him more threatening to me than say, Dooku's polished, slightly bland manner. Or CW Mauls stock villainy. It was good to see a villain emote a real ****ing emotion for once.
Finn did better against him then he had any right to, and it knocks Kylo down a few pegs for me on the dueling ability side.
Comparing Finn to Luke doesn't work because Luke is a force user and by that point had had [some] formal training in how to use his powers by one of the most venerable Jedi who'd ever lived. Finn on the other hand is just some dude*, and he actually put up a better fight then Rey did until she went super-sayan.
*As far as we know. 313 Super-Jedi Finn ****ing when.