Kylo Ren vs Darth Vader

No shit he'd get wasted by the absolute top tiers of the genre lmfao. He obviously doesn't have their training, hasn't shown any of their power in the force, and he hasn't even been on the screen for more than one film. We obviously know very little about his abilities, so its ****ing hilarious to compare him to juggernaut Sith like Vader and Maul.

If anything he should be close being the force feats we've seen from him, and being apart of Anakin's bloodline. If you're judging his performance by one film when he was injured and was facing an opponent of (possibly) greater force potential, than you may as well shit on Luke for losing his hand and being toyed with by Vader in Empire strikes back

Originally posted by Lord Stark
He does suck. No matter how you slice it Kylo would get his shit pushed in by the Emperor, Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, or Grievous. He is utterly underwhelming in comparison to any of the film villains, and honestly even with the benefit of the doubt can barely stack up to the villains in the animated series.

+ He comes across as a spoiled brat who cuts up parts of his Star Destroyer when he throws a tantrum. I laughed out loud for nearly all of his 'angry scenes'.

Where as with Vader he maintained his composure. Not saying Kylo can't have some of those moments where he loses his composer but the dude looked incompetent throughout the film.

Judging harshly when it's way too early to judge ftw!

Originally posted by carthage
No shit he'd get wasted by the absolute top tiers of the genre lmfao. He obviously doesn't have their training, hasn't shown any of their power in the force, and he hasn't even been on the screen for more than one film. We obviously know very little about his abilities, so its ****ing hilarious to compare him to juggernaut Sith like Vader and Maul.

He's hyped in the databook and the movie to be the sole reason the Jedi Order was destroyed...again. Yes that's the point. He does suck right now. His martial prowess is pitiful. All you're doing right now is making excuses as to why he sucks, none of which I disagree with.

If anything he should be close being the force feats we've seen from him, and being apart of Anakin's bloodline. If you're judging his performance by one film when he was injured and was facing an opponent of (possibly) greater force potential, than you may as well shit on Luke for losing his hand and being toyed with by Vader in Empire strikes back [/B]

Dude he sucks. He fails at everything he does, the only success he has is killing a defenseless old man who was trying to help him.

Kylo:
+ Succeeds in capturing Poe
- Fails to capture the droid
+ Succeeds in capturing Rey
- Fails to extract any information and instead gets mind ****ed himself
- Then leaves ONE ****ING GUARD to protect her even though she just demonstrated mental power on par or superior to his own.
+ Kills Han
- Gets injured by Chewbacca
- Gets injured by Finn
- Gets handlily whooped by Rey
- Fails to prevent the Resistance from destroying Starkiller Base

It just feels like Kylo is ridiculously incompetent. When he shows up there isn't an 'oh shit just got real' feeling. He gets outwitted time and time again.

I don't care if Ren was trying to kill Rey or not, there's literally no excuse for him standing there while she moving-meditates. That had to be the most retarded part of the movie.

Anyhow, I get the impression that Kylo is around Ventress level.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Anyhow, I get the impression that Kylo is around Ventress level.

No way lol. Ventress was fully capable of defeating Jedi Masters and giving some of the finest Jedi in history close fights.

Wounded Ventress chokes out Kenobi and Skywalker at once.

Wounded Kylo gets his shit pushed in by Rey.

Nah, he's far more powerful in the Force.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, he's far more powerful in the Force.

He's got way more force potential, I agree. But in a contest between the two of them, with Ventress at the peak of her power she wrecks him.

I'm sure he has more potential, but as far as realized power goes, he doesn't even compete. He has Tutaminis. That's about it. He got overpowered by Rey in TK. And no matter how much mystical, "This is yours like your father before you," bullshit there is, that's a fact.

I'm unsure as to how he stacks up to her as a combatant, but again he's vastly more powerful in the Force, and I'm not talking about potential.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm sure he has more potential, but as far as realized power goes, he doesn't even compete. He has Tutaminis. That's about it. He got overpowered by Rey in TK. And no matter how much mystical, "This is yours like your father before you," bullshit there is, that's a fact.

Uh, no, no that's not. And stopping a blaster bolt is Tutaminis.

Stopping a blaster bolt by absorbing the energy into your body is tutaminis, freezing one in mid air is nothing of the sort. EDIT: Which for the record has, to my memory, never been done by anyone, ever.

And the vast majority of Force users need to maintain a gesture/concentration to maintain a Force grip. Darth Caedus, Luke Skywalker and Vader are the only ones that come to mind that demonstrate a similar lack of such need.

Also, oneness Rey would beat Ventress and you know it

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I hope we get some more TFA/Kylo Ren content before Episode 8 - or this debate is going to go on for years lol.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Stopping a blaster bolt by absorbing the energy into your body is tutaminis, freezing one in mid air is nothing of the sort. EDIT: Which for the record has, to my memory, never been done by anyone, ever.

And the vast majority of Force users need to maintain a gesture/concentration to maintain a Force grip. Darth Caedus, Luke Skywalker and Vader are the only ones that come to mind that demonstrate a similar lack of such need.

And choking randoms, even without gesturing doesn't change nearly untrained Rey overpowered him. Without bs plot reasons.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
All energy manipulation is Tutaminis.

Regardless, it doesn't make the feat any more or less impressive.

And choking randoms, even without gesturing doesn't change nearly untrained Rey overpowered him. Without bs plot reasons.

Anyway I'm not discussing his combat ability here, but his power in the Force. Him being overpowered by an untrained Rey doesn't change his impressive TK showings.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Regardless, it doesn't make the feat any more or less impressive.Right, while significantly injured, and with Rey experiencing some kind of burst of power we can't really at this stage quantify.

Anyway I'm not discussing his combat ability here, but his power in the Force. Him being overpowered by an untrained Rey doesn't change his impressive TK showings.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tutanimis? The guy is stopped blaster bolts in mid air which staid there while he casually went about his buisness, and repeatedly Force grips individuals without the need for a gesture. That seems beyond anything Ventress is capable of.

Yeah I don't think so man, Ventress is strong enough that Sidious ordered Dooku to execute her because she grew to powerful. I cannot see Sidious ordering Kylo excecuted because he grew too powerful. Ventress choking out Skywalker and Kenobi is way above anything Kylo has shown.