Originally posted by queeq
But he already reacted like that. There's no change between the Tuskens and the Jedi Temple murders.
Well I'm guessing Tuskens are closer to animals than humans, like Lars said, otherwise it makes no sense Padme would just let that go and actually marry Anakin. Would be completely out of character for her.
Originally posted by queeqBecause of what was done to his mother. Wait a minute Windu was about to kill Palpatine so he saw him violate his own ideals and in that moment under those circumstances he chose to help Palpatine who was holding his wife's fate over his head.
My point was: in AOTC he murders men, women and children. "After" his fall, he murders men, women and children.The movie doesn't SHOW us a different Anakin. The circumstances are different, but Anakin is not. The moment he gets severely distraught he kills mens, women and children in anger.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Wait a minute Windu was about to kill Palpatine so he saw him violate his own ideals
Errr... Anakin just REPORTED Palpy because he was a Sith. What ideals?
Anakin showed he had only one ideal (and also that we learn at the beginning of AOTC): to be the most powerful Jedi ever, not restrained by anyone. Ergo: to be a kind of all powerful dictator that always finds justification in murdering men, women and children.
Originally posted by queeqAnakin is screaming that is not the Jedi way to kill a beaten foe and made responds he's too dangerous to be left alive. Anakin screams I need him. Windu was wrong just as Anakin was in the Jedi way. Do you think anakin would have attacked Windu if he didn't try to kill PAlpatine there ?
Errr... Anakin just REPORTED Palpy because he was a Sith. What ideals?Anakin showed he had only one ideal (and also that we learn at the beginning of AOTC): to be the most powerful Jedi ever, not restrained by anyone. Ergo: to be a kind of all powerful dictator that always finds justification in murdering men, women and children.
I dunno. I haven't got a clue what's going on in Anakin's mind. Only that he finds himself superior to everyone and he likes to attack at will (Bounty hunter, Tuskens, Dooku). Not because he must, but because he can.
And then: a minute later he hears Palpy cannot save Padme from death! He was conned and still he didn't get it. He just went out to do the only thing he's good at: killing men, women and children. Those are the only 'ideals' of Anakin I see in these movies.
Originally posted by queeq
My point was: in AOTC he murders men, women and children. "After" his fall, he murders men, women and children.The movie doesn't SHOW us a different Anakin. The circumstances are different, but Anakin is not. The moment he gets severely distraught he kills mens, women and children in anger.
I get your point. I'm just saying Padme had a completely different reaction to him killing Tusken children compared with him killing human children.
Originally posted by queeqWell we see Windu acting murderous because he clearly respected Palpatine and didn't want to chance his continued life.
I dunno. I haven't got a clue what's going on in Anakin's mind. Only that he finds himself superior to everyone and he likes to attack at will (Bounty hunter, Tuskens, Dooku). Not because he must, but because he can.And then: a minute later he hears Palpy cannot save Padme from death! He was conned and still he didn't get it. He just went out to do the only thing he's good at: killing men, women and children. Those are the only 'ideals' of Anakin I see in these movies.
Yes he was conned but was broken by his recent actions and like most broken men let Palpatine lead him. Windu's actions were what also helped Anakin make that rash movement because he gave him a moment to decide with his wife's possible fate linked into that decision.
Originally posted by queeqHis opponent was beaten and he still wanted to kill him. The Jedi thing to do was to take him in.
Windu acting murderous? To whom? A Sith Lord that attacked him and killed three Jedi?And Windu's actions were hardly Anakin's motivation. His motivation was: don't kill Palpy, I (IIIII!!!! me, me, me... ) need him. Anakin is only thinking about himself.
Both. The greater motivation was the fear of losing his wife but if Windu didn't try to kill him Anakin would have no reason to attack him there.
Originally posted by queeqNo, Windu wasn't but his decision wasn't very Jedi like. That's my point. I'm not saying Anakin is I'm saying Windu's decision helped Anakin react in that moment the way that he did.
Oh right, Windu is the bad guy now. Killing a demon is not the Jedi way, And Anakin is an expert in the Jedi way? I don't think there is a Jedi who broke more Jedi rules than Anakin.
Originally posted by NephthysHe did give a shit since he had to be prodded a second time. He knew it was wrong and right after Palpatine assured him it was the right thing to do.
It shows that Anakin doesn't give a shit about murdering defenseless people, he was just looking for an excuse to not kill Palpatine.
So if you believe he was looking for an excuse then Windu gave it to him.
Yeah, Anakin hesitated to kill a hated enemy and expressed some measure of regret after. He also clearly didn't enjoy killing the Jedi or even the Separatists, given that he's in tears on Mustafar after.
Even killing the Tuskens brought him no joy. He was super pissed in the moment and distraught afterwards.
Lots of flaws with the PT, no doubt. But Anakin was never portrayed or written as a compulsive, gleeful murderer in the films.
Did any of you actually watch the movies before you were told to hate them?
Originally posted by The_TempestIt is just pt hate IMO. And if anyone had their own mother taken and watched her die as if they wouldn't go on a murdering spree in the Star Wars universe with Jedi powers.
Yeah, Anakin hesitated to kill a hated enemy and expressed some measure of regret after. He also clearly didn't enjoy killing the Jedi or even the Separatists, given that he's in tears on Mustafar after.Even killing the Tuskens brought him no joy. He was super pissed in the moment and distraught afterwards.
Lots of flaws with the PT, no doubt. But Anakin was never portrayed or written as a compulsive, gleeful murderer in the films.
Did any of you actually watch the movies before you were told to hate them?