Current Superman and Thor vs Runner...

Current Superman and Thor take on the Runner in a battle to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

Who wins?

Runner, IMHO.

Runner.

Unless this is a fashion contest, Runner wins.

Runner

Current Superman isn't really up to this and I can't see Thor with his speed being relevant. I think Runner has this.

Superman beats Runner by his lonesome.

Superman beats the shit out of him.

I honestly am baffled on why Runner gets so much credit. He's shown that he can beat Surfer's ass which, while impressive, gives the guy way too much cred, especially when it's been shown that Makari is faster than he is.

Superman solos. I don't get this thread.

Runner wins and not because of his travel speed but because of his vast array of powers.

Aside from super speed/perceptions, what battle-related powers did Runner display on panel that would make him a threat to the likes of Superman+Thor?
-A 'likability aura'
-Energy projection
-Super strength
-??

Even if I'm missing a few, I don't think I'd call that a 'vast array' of powers... But to each his own. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from super speed/perceptions, what battle-related powers did Runner display on panel that would make him a threat to the likes of Superman+Thor?
-A 'likability aura'
-Energy projection
-Super strength
-??

Even if I'm missing a few, I don't think I'd call that a 'vast array' of powers... But to each his own. /shrug

You have got a point, bub.

both superman and thor, individually have beaten more powerful opponents. runner is powerful though. he had some decent feats in the old defenders book, but nothing that these 2 haven't seen a 100 times, and defeated that many times. i do think runner could make them work, but together they are too much--and thor (or rather mjolnir) has a far more variable powerset than runner. it's not even close, really. his only seeming advantage might be tp, but we don't even have any real idea of the extent of it, so citing it is basically meaningless.

Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from super speed/perceptions, what battle-related powers did Runner display on panel that would make him a threat to the likes of Superman+Thor?
-A 'likability aura'
-Energy projection
-Super strength
-??

Even if I'm missing a few, I don't think I'd call that a 'vast array' of powers... But to each his own. /shrug

Given how 99% of the Marvel fans furiously jack off to that character, you must see how Runner must be the best shit ever.

Originally posted by RadZoa
I honestly am baffled on why Runner gets so much credit. He's shown that he can beat Surfer's ass which, while impressive, gives the guy way too much cred, especially when it's been shown that Makari is faster than he is.

Well he's got some other feats to his name that are pretty good:

1) Beating up Thanos (while Thanos had 3 Gems to Runners 1); true he had the Space Gem, but he never used it during the beating (no teleportation occured [according to Thanos, Runner would sometimes use the Gem subconsciously to teleport; according to Thanos, the Gem did NOT make Runner faster]; Runner was owning Thanos with nothing but his own natural speed and combat agility)...

2) Rendering a bonafide Trans character (Collector) completely helpless before his wrath during the Thanos Quest...

3) Granting Moon Dragon Invulnerability on a whim...

4) His likability aura was working on Surfer, and Surfer has demonstrated planetary level TP on panel (his aura was working on Moondragon as well and she's a pretty decent telepath)...

5) He hasnt been overpowered by (let alone taken any damage from; Surfer's attacks literally had no visible effect on him whatsoever) anything less than Galactus...

Runner is quite formidible...

Originally posted by leonidas
both superman and thor, individually have beaten more powerful opponents. runner is powerful though. he had some decent feats in the old defenders book, but nothing that these 2 haven't seen a 100 times, and defeated that many times. i do think runner could make them work, but together they are too much--and thor (or rather mjolnir) has a far more variable powerset than runner. it's not even close, really. his only seeming advantage might be tp, but we don't even have any real idea of the extent of it, so citing it is basically meaningless.

On average he's stronger than them...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well he's got some other feats to his name that are pretty good:

1) Beating up Thanos (while Thanos had 3 Gems to Runners 1); true he had the Space Gem, but he never used it during the beating (no teleportation occured [according to Thanos, Runner would sometimes use the Gem subconsciously to teleport; according to Thanos, the Gem did NOT make Runner faster]; Runner was owning Thanos with nothing but his own natural speed and combat agility)...

2) Rendering a bonafide Trans character (Collector) completely helpless before his wrath during the Thanos Quest...

3) Granting Moon Dragon Invulnerability on a whim...

4) His likability aura was working on Surfer, and Surfer has demonstrated planetary level TP on panel (his aura was working on Moondragon as well and she's a pretty decent telepath)...

5) He hasnt been overpowered by (let alone taken any damage from; Surfer's attacks literally had no visible effect on him whatsoever) anything less than Galactus...

Runner is quite formidible...

It was writer's intentions that runner was using the space gem.
Granting invulnerability doesn't prove anything fight related.
Surfer, nor any character, operates at their highest in every appearance. Tp has nothing to do with Runner's aura. Surfer wasn't operating at his highest when fighting Runner.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was writer's intentions that runner was using the space gem.

How do you know this?

The way I see it, the writer sometimes speaks through the characters in the story...

During the Thanos Quest, Thanos himself (one of the smartest characters in Marvel) directly says:

1) The Space Gem didnt make Runner faster...

2) Runner would sometimes subconsciously use it to teleport; thats the reason why Runner would sometimes arrive at a location before he even realized he'd left for it...

The way I see it, Thanos was Starlings mouthpiece during the Thanos Quest...

So no, I strongly disagree that it was the writers intention that Runner was using the gem against Thanos...

Originally posted by h1a8
Granting invulnerability doesn't prove anything fight related.
Surfer, nor any character, operates at their highest in every appearance. Tp has nothing to do with Runner's aura. Surfer wasn't operating at his highest when fighting Runner.

1) Granting Invulnerability to Moondragon is simply an example of Runners power; Galan questioned his array of powers...this is an answer to his question.

2) So what are you saying, that only a high end Surfer can combat Runner? If so, then you agree that on average Runner is stronger than Surfer (and the comic clearly demonstrated Runners complete superiority over Surfer; Surfer couldnt even stratch him)...

3) As pertains TP, Surfer has great resistance to mental attacks; the fact that Runners aura was affecting Surfer despite his great mental fortitude is a testament to the strength of Runners "like me" aura...