Current Superman and Thor vs Runner...

Here's Clint Eastwood destroying Obama in a debate via speedblitz. He stood no chance.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
It is true, but keep in mind that his chair was also a creation of Death's IIRC. It seems like a far-fetched point but it has even also withstood Surfer's attack upon his first meeting with Thanos

He didn't (visibly) need anything nor his chair for that matter, the same chair that Thanos rode through those dimensions that were distorting him that he apparently willed his way through whereas his chair was unaffected. This happened in either the same comic as the Runner incident or the one before/after it.

It needs it's own respect thread

The truth is, either of team 1 probably beats Runner. And together, they almost certainly do. Because Supes and Thor are above Surfer, as Runner was. And Supes and Thor both could both effortlessly break chairs while boasting if the scene called for it, just as Runner did.

Physicality=/=energy-based shit, but it's a moot argument.

The point is that Runner did not target Thanos himself--only his chair. We have no way of knowing what effect said blitz would've had on Thanos himself.

Originally posted by Juntai
The truth is, either of team 1 probably beats Runner. And together, they almost certainly do. Because Supes and Thor are above Surfer, as Runner was. And Supes and Thor both could both effortlessly break chairs while boasting if the scene called for it, just as Runner did.

I agree. There's no fruit to be had here.

Ayo!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
No. The only certainty is that it's not certain. Another certainty is that Runner isn't weak, but determining his actual battle strength aside from over Surfer (from that time) is a fruitless endeavor

Goes without saying.

Maybe a gauge of his power is that him as well as the other elders attacked Galactus from his insides without killing him and that was their intent throughout the entire arc. They even had Death's protection from dying so there wasn't even any risk from killing him from within since he's a star or something.

Are writer's intentions and beliefs valid if they can be proven? For example, if we actually knew that the writer believed runner could beat Thanos easily then will that be acceptable?

If so, then I believe the writer painted a clear perception of runner being able to easily beat Thanos. The story had the reader believe that runner can reduce Thanos to a bloody pulp. At the very least, runner would have been very difficult for Thanos to overcome.

So since we have no other evidence then I believe Starlin painted a good picture. Runner is at least Thanos level and most likely more.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Fair enough. But as we can't apply a no limit fallacy to him, he's merely greater than Surfer, but that's not enough to beat two beings with greater feats and greater victories.

Originally posted by Juntai
The truth is, either of team 1 probably beats Runner. And together, they almost certainly do. Because Supes and Thor are above Surfer, as Runner was. And Supes and Thor both could both effortlessly break chairs while boasting if the scene called for it, just as Runner did.

Bull...

We argue averages unless otherwise stated in the OP do we not?

Runner has 4 significant combat encounters; nearly killing Surfer while toying with him, crushing Collector, being beyond Thanos's ability to combat without the Time Gem, and being overwhelmed by a full strength Galactus...

The average of that takes a fat Sh!t all over the combat average of current Superman and Thor...

So yes, your belief that either beats Runner is total and complete garbage...

Originally posted by h1a8
Are writer's intentions and beliefs valid if they can be proven? For example, if we actually knew that the writer believed runner could beat Thanos easily then will that be acceptable?

If so, then I believe the writer painted a clear perception of runner being able to easily beat Thanos. The story had the reader believe that runner can reduce Thanos to a bloody pulp. At the very least, runner would have been very difficult for Thanos to overcome.

So since we have no other evidence then I believe Starlin painted a good picture. Runner is at least Thanos level and most likely more.

Based on Runner's four significant combat encounters, this is very possible...

Originally posted by h1a8
At the very least, runner would have been very difficult for Thanos to overcome.

As for the picture painted by Starlin, it's subjective. All we saw Runner do is blitz Thanos' chair, monologue, dodge an eye-beam, blitz Thanos' chair some more, and monologue again... All the while Thanos played possum.

From my perspective Starlin didn't paint a clear picture that Runner could have straight up overpowered Thanos, but again, it's subjective.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos was also clearly and purposely playing helpless to get his way, which he got. As right after that, he has no problems standing up and walking on empty space as he insults his intelligence and overconfidence.

Correction, Thanos had no choice but to give in to Runners demands and talk as Thanos had no way to effectively fight back and could only take damage...

Thanos did take advantage of the fight stoppage to get a fix on Runner with the Time Gem however, and thats how Thanos won...

Thanos got up and walked over to Runner? Sure, thats easy to do when your opponent stops attacking you and just stands there and listens to what you have to say...so thats nothing impressive on the behalf of Thanos.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, that's the elephant in the room.

Thanos sustained absolutely no injuries to his person from Runner's blitz. Aside from making a few empty boasts/threats to that effect, Runner just targeted/destroyed Thanos' chair with his blitz. Truth is, we don't know what would have actually happened had Runner physically assaulted Thanos--he may have owned him just the same, or he may not have been able to cause any lasting damage.

Of course the Runner brigade is bound to disagree, but truth is truth. /shrug

Well we know that Thanos took the option to talk rather than being beaten to grape jelly...so that says something.

Originally posted by Galan007
Were it's shield's up against Surfer? Because absolutely no shielding was up against Runner.

What would the shields have done? Only delay the inevitable...

Thanos wouldnt have been able to attack Runner either and then we'd have had another monologue by Thanos about him dreading the moment his shielding failed as he did when facing Champion...

Runner is linked to the Power Primordial; his stamina is limitless...he'd eventually have beaten Thanos's shielding down.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
No. The only certainty is that it's not certain. Another certainty is that Runner isn't weak, but determining his actual battle strength aside from over Surfer (from that time) is a fruitless endeavor

False...

He has other combat showing to draw data from...

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